Anonymous wrote:Was there every a time RM was a decent school? Two guns on campus in 10 days. It's getting much worse

Anonymous wrote:Today, my kid has a class in a portable (of which, there are too many, IMO). When she and her classmates tried to get back into the building, they were locked out. A staff member told them they could no longer enter the school that way.

I guess this is a new security measure?

Anonymous wrote:Seems like MCPS went above and beyond to handle this issue well as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Yes, Elrich and Jawando deserve serious backlash for enabling this disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

You don't count the Nov 2022 election when Elrich and Jawando were reelected?

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

No. There was no ‘vote’ of parents. Elrich unilaterally made the decision for MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

Enough parents supported it to make it happen.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

This. Elrich and Jawando made the decision and should be held accountable. But, we just voted Elrich back in, so clearly voters support his unilateral decisions on matters like this.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

Me too.

And I would love to get an apology from Elrich and Jawando for pushing this nonsense on our kids to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.

I hope the uptick in crime in MCPS forces their hand, and they bring back SROs, not CEOs.

This is what happened when they removed the SROs completely. Violence went up, so Elrich had to back track and support CEOs. Now that we are seeing even more violence, I hope they bring back SROs in HS.

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/montgomery-county-public-schools-school-resource-officers-police-council-marc-elrich-students-parents-study-feedback-hybrid-program

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Anonymous wrote:Another question I have is why RM always deals with RPD instead of MCPD, which has more resources and more expansive policing powers. ROD does property crimes in Rockville retail areas, but if this is related to drug sales or gang activity, it should be routed to MCPD.

Because Rockville is a city, and has Rockville PD.

Yes but MCPD still has primary jurisdiction for policing major crimes I believe. I’m not sure exactly where the work load is split (and would love to see the document if anyone has it), but in MD, the County PD (or sheriff office in counties with no county PD) is the plucking authority with general jurisdiction and any city departments are merely supplemental. It may be that they get faster response from RPD on “small” crimes like trespass — that’s why cities establish these city PDs. I just don’t know what the reasoning is, and I might like an explanation from the school and MCPD.

There is an MOU, file an MPIA request. It may even be on one of the PD's website. Or simply call and ask, it is a very easy question to answer.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to start being more open to weapon detection technologies in schools. I'd rather see this than those electric busses they spent a bunch of money on but could barely mobilize.

I think it will make kids even later to class (which is already a struggle given how congested the hallways are and how large th property is), and I'm not at all optimistic that they can find adequately trained staff to operate metal detectors effectively. Even the TSA has a shockingly high fail rate in locating guns in baggage -- and they are trained a lot more thoroughly, and have better equipment, than MCPS is going to get. I've talked to LEO that operate metal detectors and they say it is really not that easy and requires a trained eye -- it's not like in the movies where you see the outline of a gun against a stack of clothing.

See this article, which highlights how metal detectors are not necessary as easy as they seem:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

I favor bringing back SROs, increasing security especially at doors and bathrooms, and requiring visible display of picture ID cards --- but not metal detectors or closing the campus.

Agree with all of this.

Even just implementing measures like this will make students aware that adults are aware of the problem and are watching the situation. Could act as a deterrent.

I also think having SROs in school acts as a deterrent. I realize some people don't like it because some kids "feel" uncomfortable with SROs in schools, but I guarantee you that your kid will more than feel just uncomfortable if they get shot, beat up, knifed. And given that a lot of the victims of violence in schools tend to be URM, I would think SROs for them would be even more welcomed.

Even so, kids' safety is more important than how some kids feel.

Oh, I agree! But, try telling that to our 'progressive' political leaders and our BOE. They disagree and forcefully pushed SROs out of schools, despite the fact that principals and parents wanted the program to stay intact.

Some parents supported keeping the SROs. Other parents supported the effort to eliminate the SRO positions.

Yes, but neither MCPS nor the BOE had made a decision one way or another, before Elrich (with backing from Jawando) unilaterally decided to end the program.