Anonymous
01/24/2023 18:08
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.
Wow, so you think they just brought classified info home for no reason.
If they were charged (which they won't be), they would defend by saying they didn't know what was in the boxes and somebody probably packed and shipped them. And to help prove that up, they could point to the fact that they immediately turned them over when they discovered them. The government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that was not true and in fact they took the documents intentionally. There is no evidence in the public domain that would support the government's case.
By the way, that is what would have happened in Trump's case too. But instead of turning them over, he lied, moved the documents around to try to hide them, had his lawyers lie, etc. Basically, he handed the government a bunch of evidence of intent and also committed other crimes in the process.
This. Worth noting he acted like a guilty criminal, and kept incriminating himself thereafter.
No evidence, yet, that Pence or Biden had any knowledge about the documents or intent to keep them illegally. Trump said “they’re mine” and not only that, he and his lapdog planned to disclose what was in some of them as a political maneuver up until the point that it looked like maybe they might be held accountable.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 18:07
Subject: Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:I guess this will shut up GOP RWNJs like Gym Jordan, Comer, et al! If Mr. Perfect took home a classified documents but reported it then how bad can it be?
You think this will cow the “hang Mike Pence” crowd??
Anonymous
01/24/2023 18:05
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.
Normal feds would be charged for sure though if they did the same.
Normal feds don’t have frequent classified briefings when they are at home, on travel, etc. or have TS staff carrying their briefcases everywhere they go. The VP isn’t a normal fed sitting in a cubicle all day.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:58
Subject: Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:
The cover up is always worse than the crime.
So Trump’s guilty of obstruction.
Biden is guilty of waiting before disclosing.
And Pence is not guilty.
Biden disclosed it to NARA the day they were found and they picked them up the next day. But nice try.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:49
Subject: Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
The cover up is always worse than the crime.
So Trump’s guilty of obstruction.
Biden is guilty of waiting before disclosing.
And Pence is not guilty.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:39
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:
Normal feds would be charged for sure though if they did the same.
But the normal feds who were charged have acted with intent. Harold Martin willfully stole a buttload of classified documents and was busted when he contacted a Russian lab. Reality Winner mailed a classified document to a journalist.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:34
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.
Wow, so you think they just brought classified info home for no reason.
If they were charged (which they won't be), they would defend by saying they didn't know what was in the boxes and somebody probably packed and shipped them. And to help prove that up, they could point to the fact that they immediately turned them over when they discovered them. The government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that was not true and in fact they took the documents intentionally. There is no evidence in the public domain that would support the government's case.
By the way, that is what would have happened in Trump's case too. But instead of turning them over, he lied, moved the documents around to try to hide them, had his lawyers lie, etc. Basically, he handed the government a bunch of evidence of intent and also committed other crimes in the process.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:24
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.
Normal feds would be charged for sure though if they did the same.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:18
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.
Wow, so you think they just brought classified info home for no reason.
Having a good reason wouldn’t work for a regular govt worker. Of course, it’ll work for these guys because they’re above everyone else. What a crock.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 17:09
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
Crimes require intent and there's no evidence that either Biden or Pence had the required intent.
Wow, so you think they just brought classified info home for no reason.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 16:49
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
and Trump....?
Impeached twice.
Let's impeach Biden!
Only fair.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 16:47
Subject: Re:Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So now we have...
A former president who is running for president (resulting in a special counsel).
A former VP and current president who is likely running for re-election (resulting in another special counsel).
And a former VP who is also potentially running for president. Do we need yet another special counsel?
Both Pence and Biden have committed a crime here and should be in jail.
and Trump....?
Anonymous
01/24/2023 16:32
Subject: Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At this point, there's no indication this is anything other than a mistake. It is bad? Yes. Is it a crime? Probably not. Unfortunately, classified information is not handled with the care it should be in the WH and other high level executive offices. It is very different for the peons at lower levels.
It actually is a crime, anyone with a clearance can tell you that. Whether they are actually held accountable is a different story.
I have a clearance and I'm a lawyer. Feel free to provide the statute you think was violated.
Crickets....
Anonymous
01/24/2023 15:46
Subject: Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
Anonymous wrote:It's either wrong to have them, or it's not. We were told last year how it was wrong to have them, what's changed?
Who said it’s not wrong? I haven’t heard anyone say that.
Anonymous
01/24/2023 15:38
Subject: Classified documents found at fmr VP Pence home
It's either wrong to have them, or it's not. We were told last year how it was wrong to have them, what's changed?