Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:12
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
FU. Most people I know with infertility including myself “waited” until we met our future spouse and committed to them. I started TTC at age 29, a year after getting married. It took 8 years to conceive. My story is not unique.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:11
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
What in literal hell are you talking about?
Religious people are so desperate to not find out they are following a religion that is partially rooted in evil. They are so desperate to believe this that they will tie themselves up in crazy knots, just to defend it.
Seriously this person has no idea how crazy they sound.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:08
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
What in literal hell are you talking about?
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:55
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
So you support the Catholic Church calling infertility disordered?
I don’t know anybody that blames god for infertility.
Disordered” is a philosophical term meaning not in accord with the normal, expected order of things. Infertility from a medical standpoint can be related to any number of medical disorders. No one in the Church has ever suggested that infertility is a moral disorder, or that infertile persons are disordered.
Great!
Then LGBT are disordered but not a moral disorder.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:55
Subject: Re:LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Sometimes in their argument to stop from picking on religion, they might say something like "we all of a cross to bear" or "I'm sorry to hear that but you know Jesus loves you just the way you are."
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:53
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
So you support the Catholic Church calling infertility disordered?
I don’t know anybody that blames god for infertility.
This is how Christians support their religion. They point out someone irresponsible and to the rest they put their hands up to their ears and say "I'm not listening". It's a projection of their fear that the put their faith into a basket with flaws.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:51
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
So you support the Catholic Church calling infertility disordered?
I don’t know anybody that blames god for infertility.
Disordered” is a philosophical term meaning not in accord with the normal, expected order of things. Infertility from a medical standpoint can be related to any number of medical disorders. No one in the Church has ever suggested that infertility is a moral disorder, or that infertile persons are disordered.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:43
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
So you support the Catholic Church calling infertility disordered?
I don’t know anybody that blames god for infertility.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:12
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Its less crazy when you realize how much infertility is self-inflicted. So many people take hormonal birth-control for 20+ years, have double digit partners and try to have their first kid at 35+. Then they get mad at God.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 12:38
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
People only talk about the Catholic Church labeling LGBTQ people as “disordered” but they also label infertile people as “disordered”.
Which is cray, cray.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 12:29
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the purpose of creating LGBTQ people only to tell them they have to suppress who they are? Are you suggesting god is toying around with humans just for kicks? Let’s see who we can torture through their very being. Disgusting if that is what is happening.
If you believe in an all powerful creator, I don't see how you could come up with any other conclusion
Anonymous
01/26/2023 12:23
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?
Yup. This right here is one of the reasons I'm now Episcopalian. DH and I aren't able to have biological kids. The teachings on marriage in the Catholic church are so incredibly harmful and hurtful to infertile couples (and of course to homosexual couples). When you combine the teaching that the proper fruit of a marriage is children with the church's near complete opposition to assistive reproductive technology, its a real malicious message infertile couples hear.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 11:57
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the purpose of creating LGBTQ people only to tell them they have to suppress who they are? Are you suggesting god is toying around with humans just for kicks? Let’s see who we can torture through their very being. Disgusting if that is what is happening.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 11:54
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
News for you, pal. Gays and lesbians can adopt and have families just like infertile couples.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 11:24
Subject: LGBTQ+ and Catholicism
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But like why would you want to be a part of a faith that says acting on your natural desires is sinful? I know they say that being gay isn't inherently sinful but living a full life as a gay person is considered wrong so why would you want to be a part of this faith?
I have all sorts of “natural desires” I’d like to act on but don’t because to do so would be immoral. I’d like to sport around on my spouse; I’d like to drink to excess; I’d like to punch people in the nose; I’d like to take nice things without paying for them. The ability to sublimate desire in favor of the will is what makes human beings more than barnyard animals.
If your religion told you that your heterosexual desires (even within marriage) were immoral and you had to be celibate your whole life, would you bow to that teaching? Could you live without sex?
You can see what fruit they bear.
The fruit of heterosexual desire is family, children and the continuation of the Church. What is the fruit of homosexual desire?
What is the fruit of an infertile couple?