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Anonymous wrote:I am from Saudi Arabia. I hold a Saudi passport. I own a house in DC and have done so for 15 years. So by this proposal I can vote in DC elections?

Owning a house is not enough. You need to be resident in DC and have the utility bills or such to prove it.

Yes, I own the house. Pay for gas, electric, DC water. Also pay my mobile bill.

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Anonymous wrote:I am from Saudi Arabia. I hold a Saudi passport. I own a house in DC and have done so for 15 years. So by this proposal I can vote in DC elections?

Owning a house is not enough. You need to be resident in DC and have the utility bills or such to prove it.

Anonymous wrote:I am from Saudi Arabia. I hold a Saudi passport. I own a house in DC and have done so for 15 years. So by this proposal I can vote in DC elections?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

That's up to the DC government (elected by the DC voters) to decide, don't you think?

Sure. I can only presume that they’ve given up on statehood, because there is not a single state that allows non-citizens to vote. So if DC wants to be taken as seriously as Takoma Park, MD that’s their choice too.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

That's up to the DC government (elected by the DC voters) to decide, don't you think?

Sure. I can only presume that they’ve given up on statehood, because there is not a single state that allows non-citizens to vote. So if DC wants to be taken as seriously as Takoma Park, MD that’s their choice too.

Anonymous wrote:I am from Saudi Arabia. I hold a Saudi passport. I own a house in DC and have done so for 15 years. So by this proposal I can vote in DC elections?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, but they are Commonwealth Citizens. They have commonwealth identification. Surely you are not equating undocumented with holding a Canadian passport.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

That's up to the DC government (elected by the DC voters) to decide, don't you think?

Sure. I can only presume that they’ve given up on statehood, because there is not a single state that allows non-citizens to vote. So if DC wants to be taken as seriously as Takoma Park, MD that’s their choice too.

Person who doesn't live in DC, randomly commenting on DC government.

You imagine that everyone who doesn’t see things the same way as you don’t live in DC?

Regardless, if DC wants statehood it needs to appeal to everyone that doesn’t live in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

That's up to the DC government (elected by the DC voters) to decide, don't you think?

Sure. I can only presume that they’ve given up on statehood, because there is not a single state that allows non-citizens to vote. So if DC wants to be taken as seriously as Takoma Park, MD that’s their choice too.

Person who doesn't live in DC, randomly commenting on DC government.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

That's up to the DC government (elected by the DC voters) to decide, don't you think?

Sure. I can only presume that they’ve given up on statehood, because there is not a single state that allows non-citizens to vote. So if DC wants to be taken as seriously as Takoma Park, MD that’s their choice too.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

That's up to the DC government (elected by the DC voters) to decide, don't you think?

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.

So it seems like a bit of a waste of time and expenditure of political capital to get on a soapbox about how important it is to allow all 100 people who have one of these licenses the ability to vote in DC. Not exactly the most pressing issue at the moment.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Maryland and Virginia residents also vote in DC elections?

No.

If non-citizens can them why not non-residents?

For example, if you’re a suburban commuter it’s basically the same as being an “undocumented non-resident”. Since they also pay a lot of taxes in DC it seems only fair.

You realize that many non-citizens are documented, right?

Suburban commuter who are US citizens, permanent residents or valid visa holders are documented too. They also pay taxes to the DC government. They equally deserve a voice.

You can’t have legal residency in two states. Nor are suburban commuters directly taxed by the District of Columbia.

Try again.

If you’re undocumented, how can you prove legal residency in DC?

The same way everyone else who lives here does.

A process that I suspect you are not familiar with.

Could you explain the process? Real ID means that they are not allowed to have a drivers license or identification.

Acceptable forms of proof of residence for voter registration in DC include: 

A copy of a current and valid government-issued photo identification
A utility bill for water, gas, electricity, cable, internet, telephone, or cellular phone service issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A savings, checking, credit, or money market account statement from a bank or credit union issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A paycheck, stub, or earning statement that includes the employer’s name, address, and telephone number and was issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A government-issued document or check from a federal or District agency, other than the Board of Elections, issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A current residential lease or rental agreement
An occupancy statement from a District homeless shelter issued no earlier than 90 days before the election
A tuition or housing bill from a District of Columbia college or university issued for the current academic or housing term

https://dcboe.org/Voters/Register-To-Vote/Register-to-Vote

If you’re undocumented you cannot get a SSN or government issued ID. That means that you cannot get a bank account, utility service (gas, water, electric), or official paycheck. Based on this, undocumented would basically be limited to a cellphone bill, DCPS enrollment documents or WIC, but how would they know you were Joe Smith without an ID? This obviously excludes Dreamers who are documented.

First of all, there are two groups of non-citizens who live in DC: people with legal authorization to be in the US, and people without legal authorization to be in the US.

Second of all, I don't think you know much about living in the US without legal authorization to be in the US. I don't know much either, and even I know about Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

Smart guy here wants to lecture and doesn’t know what “undocumented” means. Good grief.

There seem to be a lot of people, or at least a lot of people on DCUM, who believe that "undocumented" means does not have any documents from anywhere of any sort and might for all we know have just teleported from Mars yesterday.

Does a TIN get you access to a state issued drivers license or ID?

No. You don't need a social security number to get a driver's license in DC. https://dmv.dc.gov/service/limited-purpose-driver-license

That is a “Limited Purpose driver license”. It is not necessarily recognized as a valid drivers license in other jurisdictions and you cannot use it to open a bank account or board a plane. Many indian tribes have similar sorts of licenses and vehicle registration but they cannot drive off reservation.

Can you get current and valid government-issued photo identification, if you are an undocumented non-citizen resident of DC, as required for registering to vote in DC? Yes, you can.

Sure. But the documentation requirements for proof of identity are very rigorous.

It is. Ask any non-citizen who has attempted to get a drivers license in DC and they will tell you what a pain in the ass it is. The DC DMV is very strict. Only those non-citizens with the time and energy to go through that process are going to end up being allowed to vote in DC.