Anonymous
01/08/2023 14:02
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.
Your assumption is a racist one.
True.
Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd
Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.
Yes, seriously.
I know it can be difficult to accept your innate white racism.
But it is high time you both accept it and confront it. Grammar is a place to begin.
You are exhausting. Those of us who spend years supporting all students and wanting to see them succeed in professions and jobs of their choice know that grammar is important. I think it's racist to want to see ANY student fall behind and get left out. I'll continue to teach without your input.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 14:00
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
No one read anymore and reality tv which showcases poorly educated and poorly spoken people. Note also the prevalence of "Me and Larla are both dating the same guy".
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:54
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.
Your assumption is a racist one.
True.
Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd
Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.
Yes, seriously.
I know it can be difficult to accept your innate white racism.
But it is high time you both accept it and confront it. Grammar is a place to begin.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:45
Subject: Re:Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t bother me nearly as much as “should of ” for “should have.”
- yet another example of racism masquerading as “proper grammar.”
LOL troll. We aren't discussing "axe" vs "ask".
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:33
Subject: Re:Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t bother me nearly as much as “should of ” for “should have.”
"I seen it" is like nails on chalk board.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:24
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regional, but also English grammar is weird.
How is it weird? You were either taught proper English, or not. This should have been taught starting in the 1st grade. Even if you hear it at home or "in the streets" what you're learning in school trumps all of that.
Hahahaha no. "proper English," ha. Just because some dudes started taking advantage of the social-climbing new middle class after the industrial revolution doesn't mean there is a proper or improper English. Yes, the gatekeeping academia of times past has essentially controlled the rules for writing and we basically have to follow them if we want to get respect (this is called respectability politics, by the way), but that is an inherently subjective standard.
Also, yes English is absolutely weird. English is a bizarre amalgamation of various languages and doesn't have the much simpler origins of languages like Spanish.
Do you feel that spelling should also be a creative enterprise with no fixed rules? What about math?
It depends on what you mean by math. Math has a formal set of symbols/shorthand to express things like for every, there exists, etc. You aren't required to use them.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:17
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regional, but also English grammar is weird.
How is it weird? You were either taught proper English, or not. This should have been taught starting in the 1st grade. Even if you hear it at home or "in the streets" what you're learning in school trumps all of that.
Formal written language and spoken language, even when written as dialogue, are not the same.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:15
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.
Isn't that the issue = Which phrase is used by the well educated ?
One poster's husband had an MBA. So, basically, you need at least a PHD to English correctly.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:15
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.
Your assumption is a racist one.
True.
Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd
Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.
NP. Of course they do. They live in a world where they will be judged more harshly if they don’t use prescriptive grammar. But they probably code switch.
PP here. I knew someone would say what you've written, but I disagree. Just because they wanted their students to learn correct English and meet high standards academically doesn't mean they thinking about being judged more harshly. It's important for anyone who wants to be successful professionally.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:10
Subject: Re:Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t bother me nearly as much as “should of ” for “should have.”
I'm from NJ. I definitely say "should've" when I'm speaking informally and it probably sounds like "should of" ? My English isn't that poor (740 SAT), obviously I would never write out "should of"
They are pronounced the same way. It's a written error, totally irrelevant to this thread. No one writes "should of" except for a few morons on FB. Move on.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 13:08
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
I keep hearing "whenever" when the speaker means "when." WTH is with that?
Anonymous
01/08/2023 12:53
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.
Your assumption is a racist one.
True.
Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd
Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.
NP. Of course they do. They live in a world where they will be judged more harshly if they don’t use prescriptive grammar. But they probably code switch.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 12:50
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this a regional thing? I see it happen a lot
Illiterate.
Omg. The ignorance on this thread.
Illiterate means unable to *read.* OP is talking about *speech.* They are different skills! You can be an excellent speaker and completely illiterate (which was historically the norm), and you can be an excellent reader but speak with a dialect that doesn’t follow formal American grammar rules.
We all make prescriptive grammar errors sometimes and it has nothing to do with how well we read.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 12:47
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I assumed it was related to lack of education.
Your assumption is a racist one.
True.
Consider the fact most of America’s childhood grammar lessons were actually classes on white supremacy.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-proper-english-grammar-racism_n_5ba91ec9e4b069d5f9d549cd
Seriously? I've worked with many Black educators all my life. They emphasized the importance of childhood grammar lessons and used correct grammar.
Anonymous
01/08/2023 12:44
Subject: Why do so many ppl say ‘should have went’ instead of ‘should have gone’?
Anonymous wrote:Is this a regional thing? I see it happen a lot
Illiterate.