Anonymous
01/04/2023 20:06
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Then that is not a Troop that you would want to look at. DS is bridging and we talked about the Troops we visited. He removed one because the Scouts were too focused on advancement and he wanted a Troop that supported getting to Eagle but where it was not the only drive.
And I am going to agree with the person who said that learning issues don't necessarily mean you can't get to Eagle. Several friends have kids with IEPs in Scouts who have already completed the merit badges needed for Eagle and are starting to work on their Eagle Project.
I am not going to speculate on what happened in the OPs Den or with this particular Troop but there is more to the story then we are hearing. I don't doubt that the kids were excluded and I don't doubt that it hurts badly. This is more then the Den Leader. The Scouts in my sons Den have been discussing what Troops they like and were they are looking amongst themselves. I fully expect that they will end up in 2-3 Troops but everyone will go with a friend. If the kids did not know that the other kids were planning on this other Troop and only found out at bridging, then the entire group made a decision not to share information. Which sucks but points to missing pieces of the puzzle.
What do you think these missing pieces are?
You don’t think that it is strange that every other Parent of a kid in the Den was able to communicate with one another and know to apply when the two other kids parents did not? You don’t have that type of coordinated exclusion by chance. Not to mention none of the other kids mentioning that they were joining Troop X to the two kids that were excluded. The OP makes it sound like the kids in the Den were friends or at least friendly and was surprised that this happened when that does not appear to be the case.
DP. You don’t think it’s strange that this troop happened to end up as one of the whitest, NT-only troops? You don’t have that kind of coordinated exclusion by chance.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 18:10
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Then that is not a Troop that you would want to look at. DS is bridging and we talked about the Troops we visited. He removed one because the Scouts were too focused on advancement and he wanted a Troop that supported getting to Eagle but where it was not the only drive.
And I am going to agree with the person who said that learning issues don't necessarily mean you can't get to Eagle. Several friends have kids with IEPs in Scouts who have already completed the merit badges needed for Eagle and are starting to work on their Eagle Project.
I am not going to speculate on what happened in the OPs Den or with this particular Troop but there is more to the story then we are hearing. I don't doubt that the kids were excluded and I don't doubt that it hurts badly. This is more then the Den Leader. The Scouts in my sons Den have been discussing what Troops they like and were they are looking amongst themselves. I fully expect that they will end up in 2-3 Troops but everyone will go with a friend. If the kids did not know that the other kids were planning on this other Troop and only found out at bridging, then the entire group made a decision not to share information. Which sucks but points to missing pieces of the puzzle.
What do you think these missing pieces are?
You don’t think that it is strange that every other Parent of a kid in the Den was able to communicate with one another and know to apply when the two other kids parents did not? You don’t have that type of coordinated exclusion by chance. Not to mention none of the other kids mentioning that they were joining Troop X to the two kids that were excluded. The OP makes it sound like the kids in the Den were friends or at least friendly and was surprised that this happened when that does not appear to be the case.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 17:18
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Then that is not a Troop that you would want to look at. DS is bridging and we talked about the Troops we visited. He removed one because the Scouts were too focused on advancement and he wanted a Troop that supported getting to Eagle but where it was not the only drive.
And I am going to agree with the person who said that learning issues don't necessarily mean you can't get to Eagle. Several friends have kids with IEPs in Scouts who have already completed the merit badges needed for Eagle and are starting to work on their Eagle Project.
I am not going to speculate on what happened in the OPs Den or with this particular Troop but there is more to the story then we are hearing. I don't doubt that the kids were excluded and I don't doubt that it hurts badly. This is more then the Den Leader. The Scouts in my sons Den have been discussing what Troops they like and were they are looking amongst themselves. I fully expect that they will end up in 2-3 Troops but everyone will go with a friend. If the kids did not know that the other kids were planning on this other Troop and only found out at bridging, then the entire group made a decision not to share information. Which sucks but points to missing pieces of the puzzle.
What do you think these missing pieces are?
Anonymous
01/04/2023 16:45
Subject: Re:Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:It should definitely be first come first served up to their troop max. Did the other just sign up first? If not then this troop should be reported.
+1
Either it was first come, first served, or it wasn't.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 16:16
Subject: Re:Discrimination by boyscout Troop
It should definitely be first come first served up to their troop max. Did the other just sign up first? If not then this troop should be reported.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 16:13
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Then that is not a Troop that you would want to look at. DS is bridging and we talked about the Troops we visited. He removed one because the Scouts were too focused on advancement and he wanted a Troop that supported getting to Eagle but where it was not the only drive.
And I am going to agree with the person who said that learning issues don't necessarily mean you can't get to Eagle. Several friends have kids with IEPs in Scouts who have already completed the merit badges needed for Eagle and are starting to work on their Eagle Project.
I am not going to speculate on what happened in the OPs Den or with this particular Troop but there is more to the story then we are hearing. I don't doubt that the kids were excluded and I don't doubt that it hurts badly. This is more then the Den Leader. The Scouts in my sons Den have been discussing what Troops they like and were they are looking amongst themselves. I fully expect that they will end up in 2-3 Troops but everyone will go with a friend. If the kids did not know that the other kids were planning on this other Troop and only found out at bridging, then the entire group made a decision not to share information. Which sucks but points to missing pieces of the puzzle.
It's also possible that the entire group of parents made the decision. If the OP didn't have an in with the parents, then that might also explain how the decision was made. It could be practical. a group of parents want to carpool or have their kid in like activities. Sometimes in the younger years parents blame the kids for being mean and excluding but they fail to realize that often it's the adults who are really in charge. And those same parents then say things like they don't want have time or not interested in being friends with other kid's parents.
I guess but that thought didn't cross my mind because that is not how our Pack encourages kids and parents to approach the process. The Pack has ended up with clusters of kids going to the same Troop but I don't think there has ever been 100% of the kids ending up in the same place. Heck, we currently have siblings talking about different Troops then their older siblings. I guess it just points to how different the various Packs and Troops can be.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 15:57
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Why? My dyslexic son thrives in scouts and all the merit badges are well suited to a kid who isn't a standout in school. He'll Eagle at 16 or 17 and loves it
NP here. Because some kids with ASD or ADHD are so challenged for executive functioning that reaching Eagle rank by age 18 may not be realistic, no matter how much support the parents give at home. It takes a lot of planning, communicating, and leadership to reach Eagle.
There are many Troops that are not focused on Eagle as the end all and be all. It is an easy question to ask or tease out. If a Troop has a high rate of Eagle Scout you can ask what they do when a Scout is not interested in Eagle. If a Troop has an Eagle rate that is not crazy high, then it is likely to be a good fit for a kid who is not interested in earning Eagle or for a parent who is worried that their kid might feel a ton of pressure to earn Eagle when it might not be doable.
BSA has also been doing a better job in working with Scouts who have learning issues and might struggle with Eagle by 18, I know that there are Troops for disabled Scouts that have modified merit badge and the service project requirements so that Scouts can earn Eagle. The Troop I am thinking of though was for Scouts with very serious disabilities and the Scouts were in their 20's working on Eagle. One of the Scouts was diagnosed with ASD and non-verbal through high school and the other Scout has Down Syndrome so not ADHD or ASD 1 or LDs.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 15:51
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Why? My dyslexic son thrives in scouts and all the merit badges are well suited to a kid who isn't a standout in school. He'll Eagle at 16 or 17 and loves it
NP here. Because some kids with ASD or ADHD are so challenged for executive functioning that reaching Eagle rank by age 18 may not be realistic, no matter how much support the parents give at home. It takes a lot of planning, communicating, and leadership to reach Eagle.
ASD and ADHD are not learning disabilities. I assume OP knew what she was talking about when she referenced LD's.
My DS has dyslexia and his LD was apparent in Cub Scouts because his den required reading out loud. Once they moved past that, it hasn't been apparent since.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 15:47
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Then that is not a Troop that you would want to look at. DS is bridging and we talked about the Troops we visited. He removed one because the Scouts were too focused on advancement and he wanted a Troop that supported getting to Eagle but where it was not the only drive.
And I am going to agree with the person who said that learning issues don't necessarily mean you can't get to Eagle. Several friends have kids with IEPs in Scouts who have already completed the merit badges needed for Eagle and are starting to work on their Eagle Project.
I am not going to speculate on what happened in the OPs Den or with this particular Troop but there is more to the story then we are hearing. I don't doubt that the kids were excluded and I don't doubt that it hurts badly. This is more then the Den Leader. The Scouts in my sons Den have been discussing what Troops they like and were they are looking amongst themselves. I fully expect that they will end up in 2-3 Troops but everyone will go with a friend. If the kids did not know that the other kids were planning on this other Troop and only found out at bridging, then the entire group made a decision not to share information. Which sucks but points to missing pieces of the puzzle.
It's also possible that the entire group of parents made the decision. If the OP didn't have an in with the parents, then that might also explain how the decision was made. It could be practical. a group of parents want to carpool or have their kid in like activities. Sometimes in the younger years parents blame the kids for being mean and excluding but they fail to realize that often it's the adults who are really in charge. And those same parents then say things like they don't want have time or not interested in being friends with other kid's parents.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 15:36
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Why? My dyslexic son thrives in scouts and all the merit badges are well suited to a kid who isn't a standout in school. He'll Eagle at 16 or 17 and loves it
NP here. Because some kids with ASD or ADHD are so challenged for executive functioning that reaching Eagle rank by age 18 may not be realistic, no matter how much support the parents give at home. It takes a lot of planning, communicating, and leadership to reach Eagle.
Exactly this.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:13
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Why? My dyslexic son thrives in scouts and all the merit badges are well suited to a kid who isn't a standout in school. He'll Eagle at 16 or 17 and loves it
NP here. Because some kids with ASD or ADHD are so challenged for executive functioning that reaching Eagle rank by age 18 may not be realistic, no matter how much support the parents give at home. It takes a lot of planning, communicating, and leadership to reach Eagle.
I guess you're right. DS's dyslexia doesn't involve executive function. Hadn't considered that
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:04
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Why? My dyslexic son thrives in scouts and all the merit badges are well suited to a kid who isn't a standout in school. He'll Eagle at 16 or 17 and loves it
NP here. Because some kids with ASD or ADHD are so challenged for executive functioning that reaching Eagle rank by age 18 may not be realistic, no matter how much support the parents give at home. It takes a lot of planning, communicating, and leadership to reach Eagle.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 14:03
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Then that is not a Troop that you would want to look at. DS is bridging and we talked about the Troops we visited. He removed one because the Scouts were too focused on advancement and he wanted a Troop that supported getting to Eagle but where it was not the only drive.
And I am going to agree with the person who said that learning issues don't necessarily mean you can't get to Eagle. Several friends have kids with IEPs in Scouts who have already completed the merit badges needed for Eagle and are starting to work on their Eagle Project.
I am not going to speculate on what happened in the OPs Den or with this particular Troop but there is more to the story then we are hearing. I don't doubt that the kids were excluded and I don't doubt that it hurts badly. This is more then the Den Leader. The Scouts in my sons Den have been discussing what Troops they like and were they are looking amongst themselves. I fully expect that they will end up in 2-3 Troops but everyone will go with a friend. If the kids did not know that the other kids were planning on this other Troop and only found out at bridging, then the entire group made a decision not to share information. Which sucks but points to missing pieces of the puzzle.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:22
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.
Why? My dyslexic son thrives in scouts and all the merit badges are well suited to a kid who isn't a standout in school. He'll Eagle at 16 or 17 and loves it
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:17
Subject: Discrimination by boyscout Troop
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry this happened to you, but were there behavior problems? That's the only thing that explains it. The adults and maybe even the other kids were just done and lied to make sure you didn't cross over with them? Learning disabilities really don't matter in scouts.
Learning disabilities do matter to some troops. Some troops are really big on having so many Eagle Scouts and kids like mine with ASD and ADD are not likely to make it to eagle.