Anonymous wrote:Well she did say she wants to increase the population by 15,000. Bring on the buses! I personally don't mind because I am desperate for employees. In spite of paying well over the living wage plus a crap ton of benefits, I can't find reliable people to work.

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Anonymous wrote:OP you are an idiot and you need to use legit news sources. the vast majority of migrants getting to DC on buses from texas end up in other places. DC is too expensive and there are more contacts, families connections in VA.

Do you have suggestions for better sources of data and information than the US Census Bureau and the Washington Post?

Which of those sources shows how many of the bus migrants stayed in DC to become residents as opposed to leaving for other places?

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Anonymous wrote:OP you are an idiot and you need to use legit news sources. the vast majority of migrants getting to DC on buses from texas end up in other places. DC is too expensive and there are more contacts, families connections in VA.

Do you have suggestions for better sources of data and information than the US Census Bureau and the Washington Post?

Anonymous wrote:Well she did say she wants to increase the population by 15,000. Bring on the buses! I personally don't mind because I am desperate for employees. In spite of paying well over the living wage plus a crap ton of benefits, I can't find reliable people to work.

Anonymous wrote:Well she did say she wants to increase the population by 15,000. Bring on the buses! I personally don't mind because I am desperate for employees. In spite of paying well over the living wage plus a crap ton of benefits, I can't find reliable people to work.

Anonymous wrote:OP you are an idiot and you need to use legit news sources. the vast majority of migrants getting to DC on buses from texas end up in other places. DC is too expensive and there are more contacts, families connections in VA.

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Anonymous wrote:Mayor Bowser should be thanking Governor Abbott. The numbers are in and they are not pretty.

- Census Bureau says that through July 2022 DC population increased by approx. 3,000
https://www.popville.com/2022/12/u-s-census-bureau-numbers-show-dcs-population-stabilizing/

- DC lost 3,600 people to domestic migration and international migration was approx. 4,500
https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/new-yorks-post-pandemic-population-hangover-continued-into-2022/

- TX sent approx. 5,100 migrants to DC on buses through July 2022
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migrants/index.html

These migrant buses account for 100% of the DC population increase and without this “emergency” DC would have to confront a separate crisis, which is why so many people are moving away.

Please support your thesis that DC is facing a “crisis” by virtue of the number of people moving out of the city.

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Anonymous wrote:Well she did say she wants to increase the population by 15,000. Bring on the buses! I personally don't mind because I am desperate for employees. In spite of paying well over the living wage plus a crap ton of benefits, I can't find reliable people to work.

Agree 100%. Bring them all here, as many as possible. We need them.

Need them for what?

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Anonymous wrote:Mayor Bowser should be thanking Governor Abbott. The numbers are in and they are not pretty.

- Census Bureau says that through July 2022 DC population increased by approx. 3,000
https://www.popville.com/2022/12/u-s-census-bureau-numbers-show-dcs-population-stabilizing/

- DC lost 3,600 people to domestic migration and international migration was approx. 4,500
https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/new-yorks-post-pandemic-population-hangover-continued-into-2022/

- TX sent approx. 5,100 migrants to DC on buses through July 2022
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migrants/index.html

These migrant buses account for 100% of the DC population increase and without this “emergency” DC would have to confront a separate crisis, which is why so many people are moving away.

Please support your thesis that DC is facing a “crisis” by virtue of the number of people moving out of the city.

Anonymous wrote:Mayor Bowser should be thanking Governor Abbott. The numbers are in and they are not pretty.

- Census Bureau says that through July 2022 DC population increased by approx. 3,000
https://www.popville.com/2022/12/u-s-census-bureau-numbers-show-dcs-population-stabilizing/

- DC lost 3,600 people to domestic migration and international migration was approx. 4,500
https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/new-yorks-post-pandemic-population-hangover-continued-into-2022/

- TX sent approx. 5,100 migrants to DC on buses through July 2022
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migrants/index.html

These migrant buses account for 100% of the DC population increase and without this “emergency” DC would have to confront a separate crisis, which is why so many people are moving away.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, OP.

"why so many people are moving away. " -- if people move away because there are so many "migrants", then why is TX the fastest growing state in the country? Why do so many real Americans move to TX even as they are being flooded with "migrants", and there is purportedly open borders there?

There's some dichotomy there.

Population growth is good and it’s good to live somewhere the population is growing. Without these TX migrants, DC would be in real trouble like other blue states and particularly “superstar cities” that have seem population declines starting a few years ago that accelerated with COVID.

Why DC refuses to embrace it, I don’t know but suspect that accepting these migrants runs contrary to their economic development strategy of creating a rich enclave.

Which "blue city" is in trouble, and what kind of trouble, due to population declining?

Bay Area housing prices is still leagues above anywhere in TX, FL or DC.

But, as stated earlier, most of those migrants have friends/relatives elsewhere. That's where they are headed. Some will stay in DC. But TX still has way more illegal immigrant population per capita than DC, and yet, real Americans still seem to be flocking to TX. So, it appears that TX is still doing well with all them illegals and an open border.

What does housing prices have to do with anything?

Population growth is good. Population decline is bad.

Agree or disagree?

agree?

But you stated...

"DC would be in real trouble like other blue states and particularly “superstar cities” that have seem population declines starting a few years ago that accelerated with COVID."

I asked, what "blue states and particularly “superstar cities” that have seem population declines starting a few years ago that accelerated with COVID" you are referring to? And what kind of "trouble" do you mean?

Through July 2022, largest state population losses are:

NY: -200k
CA: -120k
IL: -100k

These are on top of population declines for all 3 states in 2020 and 2021.

We don’t have the 2022 MSA estimates yet, but through 2021 most large cities in these states lost population from a pre-COVID baseline. That would include Chicago, NYC, SF and LA.

Over the last 2 decades, population and economic growth centered on these “superstar cities” has driven growth in those states and the country. Declining population in those cities reversed this trend. It weakens their economies and it means that if their economies are to grow they will need marginal productivity gains that will outpace the economic losses from population decline. Very few places in the world in history have been able to pull this off.

A change is certainly afoot, but how much no one knows. It could signify just economic stagnation in these states/cities or even actual economic decline. That will depend on specific circumstances.

I don't know about IL and NY but CA is the 4th largest economy *in the world*.

I mentioned housing prices because, generally, dying cities don't have astronomical housing prices. CA still has sky high housing prices, so even with the population decline, it's still more expensive than TX.

Sure, who knows what it will look like in 50 years. But, I do find it curious that TX has seen the largest population growth due to net migration into this state from other states even as it has porous borders and an influx of illegal immigrants. TX GDP is growing. So, it doesn't appear that the border problem is making TX not great again.

Your entire world view and understanding of economics is tied to housing costs, which is so bizarre. Luanda, Angola has some of the highest housing costs, do you think that is tied the strength of the Angola economy?

ok, you're an idiot.

Do you think SF Bay Area prices are sky high because there is so much poverty, and it's coming out of a protracted civil war? FFS

No, dummy. It's high because there are a lot of high paying jobs there, and lots of people, which causes prices to go up, and yes, high housing costs can be tied to the strength of the economy.

Example, housing in WV is dirt cheap. Why? Weak economy, and no one wants to live there.

CA economy is strong, and lots of people want to live there. Hence, high housing costs.

It's not that complicated. You're the one trying to make it more complicated.

If housing prices reflected the strength of an economy then Luanda, Angola would have the strongest economy in the world. Whatever else you have to say is irrelevant. If you think a city or state with declining population will be fine so long as housing costs hold up, I just don’t know what else to tell you because you seem to have gotten all of your economics education from social media.

oh my. You are comparing Angola to rich CA, and you are taking words out of context. I stated that even with CA losing a tiny % of the population, the housing prices are sky high still, and still they are the 4th largest economy in the world. That is very relevant. You totally ignore all the other aspects, and focus one one thing (and compare it to Angola).

And you think I'm the one who is confused. OK then.

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Anonymous wrote:Well she did say she wants to increase the population by 15,000. Bring on the buses! I personally don't mind because I am desperate for employees. In spite of paying well over the living wage plus a crap ton of benefits, I can't find reliable people to work.

Agree 100%. Bring them all here, as many as possible. We need them.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious, OP.

"why so many people are moving away. " -- if people move away because there are so many "migrants", then why is TX the fastest growing state in the country? Why do so many real Americans move to TX even as they are being flooded with "migrants", and there is purportedly open borders there?

There's some dichotomy there.

Population growth is good and it’s good to live somewhere the population is growing. Without these TX migrants, DC would be in real trouble like other blue states and particularly “superstar cities” that have seem population declines starting a few years ago that accelerated with COVID.

Why DC refuses to embrace it, I don’t know but suspect that accepting these migrants runs contrary to their economic development strategy of creating a rich enclave.

Which "blue city" is in trouble, and what kind of trouble, due to population declining?

Bay Area housing prices is still leagues above anywhere in TX, FL or DC.

But, as stated earlier, most of those migrants have friends/relatives elsewhere. That's where they are headed. Some will stay in DC. But TX still has way more illegal immigrant population per capita than DC, and yet, real Americans still seem to be flocking to TX. So, it appears that TX is still doing well with all them illegals and an open border.

What does housing prices have to do with anything?

Population growth is good. Population decline is bad.

Agree or disagree?

agree?

But you stated...

"DC would be in real trouble like other blue states and particularly “superstar cities” that have seem population declines starting a few years ago that accelerated with COVID."

I asked, what "blue states and particularly “superstar cities” that have seem population declines starting a few years ago that accelerated with COVID" you are referring to? And what kind of "trouble" do you mean?

Through July 2022, largest state population losses are:

NY: -200k
CA: -120k
IL: -100k

These are on top of population declines for all 3 states in 2020 and 2021.

We don’t have the 2022 MSA estimates yet, but through 2021 most large cities in these states lost population from a pre-COVID baseline. That would include Chicago, NYC, SF and LA.

Over the last 2 decades, population and economic growth centered on these “superstar cities” has driven growth in those states and the country. Declining population in those cities reversed this trend. It weakens their economies and it means that if their economies are to grow they will need marginal productivity gains that will outpace the economic losses from population decline. Very few places in the world in history have been able to pull this off.

A change is certainly afoot, but how much no one knows. It could signify just economic stagnation in these states/cities or even actual economic decline. That will depend on specific circumstances.

I don't know about IL and NY but CA is the 4th largest economy *in the world*.

I mentioned housing prices because, generally, dying cities don't have astronomical housing prices. CA still has sky high housing prices, so even with the population decline, it's still more expensive than TX.

Sure, who knows what it will look like in 50 years. But, I do find it curious that TX has seen the largest population growth due to net migration into this state from other states even as it has porous borders and an influx of illegal immigrants. TX GDP is growing. So, it doesn't appear that the border problem is making TX not great again.

Your entire world view and understanding of economics is tied to housing costs, which is so bizarre. Luanda, Angola has some of the highest housing costs, do you think that is tied the strength of the Angola economy?

ok, you're an idiot.

Do you think SF Bay Area prices are sky high because there is so much poverty, and it's coming out of a protracted civil war? FFS

No, dummy. It's high because there are a lot of high paying jobs there, and lots of people, which causes prices to go up, and yes, high housing costs can be tied to the strength of the economy.

Example, housing in WV is dirt cheap. Why? Weak economy, and no one wants to live there.

CA economy is strong, and lots of people want to live there. Hence, high housing costs.

It's not that complicated. You're the one trying to make it more complicated.

If housing prices reflected the strength of an economy then Luanda, Angola would have the strongest economy in the world. Whatever else you have to say is irrelevant. If you think a city or state with declining population will be fine so long as housing costs hold up, I just don’t know what else to tell you because you seem to have gotten all of your economics education from social media.