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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

Agreed but the idea that the only people being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or the like are Rich White people is wrong. And the idea that simply going to a Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Pediatrician for a diagnosis that will get a kid into AAP as 2E is wrong. Pediatricians do not automatically give out ADHD diagnoses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists complete testing and use teacher data to determine if there are learning issues. There are not automatic diagnoses.

It is true that people with more money are more able to be able to afford private testing to identify a problem but that does not automatically translate to an IEP at a school or admission into AAP.

Essentially, there is no easy backdoor.

Race and insurance status are among the best predictors of whether or not a child has an ADHD diagnosis

That is because people with higher levels of education and people with more money have a better understanding of learning issues, ADHD, and mental health issues and more access to resources. They have the money to seek treatment instead of dealing with government bureaucracy. There are programs provided by Fairfax County to get toddlers and preschool age kids tested and evaluated if parents are noticing delays. Schools are set up to do the same thing. It is a harder path but it is available. You have to know about it and be willing to use it, which ties back to education levels or Pediatricians that notice problems and refer parents.

I would bet that there are statistics that show that higher income families are more likely to be diagnosed with mental health issues or illnesses like cancer. That is a function of how our public health system works or doesn't work. It doesn't mean that the kids being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or mental health issues don't have those issues, just that the public health system and education system in the US favors those with money. This is not exactly earth shattering news.

That doesn't mean that those diagnosed are trying to trick their way into AAP or into special treatment. In a perfect world, the system would allow for people to receive mental health, physical health, and educational help that meets their needs regardless of their income but we don't live in a Utopia.

You're right, but the fact that a diagnosis has to be sought and often paid for is another reason that 2E favors those with means. A FARMs kid will have to display severe enough symptoms for a teacher to notice and make a referral and get an in school diagnosis. It's actually more likely to be treated as a behavioral issue. Meanwhile a UMC kid who says their boarded in class all the time or can't focus gets taken into a peds and then a specialist

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

Agreed but the idea that the only people being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or the like are Rich White people is wrong. And the idea that simply going to a Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Pediatrician for a diagnosis that will get a kid into AAP as 2E is wrong. Pediatricians do not automatically give out ADHD diagnoses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists complete testing and use teacher data to determine if there are learning issues. There are not automatic diagnoses.

It is true that people with more money are more able to be able to afford private testing to identify a problem but that does not automatically translate to an IEP at a school or admission into AAP.

Essentially, there is no easy backdoor.

Race and insurance status are among the best predictors of whether or not a child has an ADHD diagnosis

That is because people with higher levels of education and people with more money have a better understanding of learning issues, ADHD, and mental health issues and more access to resources. They have the money to seek treatment instead of dealing with government bureaucracy. There are programs provided by Fairfax County to get toddlers and preschool age kids tested and evaluated if parents are noticing delays. Schools are set up to do the same thing. It is a harder path but it is available. You have to know about it and be willing to use it, which ties back to education levels or Pediatricians that notice problems and refer parents.

I would bet that there are statistics that show that higher income families are more likely to be diagnosed with mental health issues or illnesses like cancer. That is a function of how our public health system works or doesn't work. It doesn't mean that the kids being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or mental health issues don't have those issues, just that the public health system and education system in the US favors those with money. This is not exactly earth shattering news.

That doesn't mean that those diagnosed are trying to trick their way into AAP or into special treatment. In a perfect world, the system would allow for people to receive mental health, physical health, and educational help that meets their needs regardless of their income but we don't live in a Utopia.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

Agreed but the idea that the only people being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or the like are Rich White people is wrong. And the idea that simply going to a Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Pediatrician for a diagnosis that will get a kid into AAP as 2E is wrong. Pediatricians do not automatically give out ADHD diagnoses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists complete testing and use teacher data to determine if there are learning issues. There are not automatic diagnoses.

It is true that people with more money are more able to be able to afford private testing to identify a problem but that does not automatically translate to an IEP at a school or admission into AAP.

Essentially, there is no easy backdoor.

Race and insurance status are among the best predictors of whether or not a child has an ADHD diagnosis

That is because people with higher levels of education and people with more money have a better understanding of learning issues, ADHD, and mental health issues and more access to resources. They have the money to seek treatment instead of dealing with government bureaucracy. There are programs provided by Fairfax County to get toddlers and preschool age kids tested and evaluated if parents are noticing delays. Schools are set up to do the same thing. It is a harder path but it is available. You have to know about it and be willing to use it, which ties back to education levels or Pediatricians that notice problems and refer parents.

I would bet that there are statistics that show that higher income families are more likely to be diagnosed with mental health issues or illnesses like cancer. That is a function of how our public health system works or doesn't work. It doesn't mean that the kids being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or mental health issues don't have those issues, just that the public health system and education system in the US favors those with money. This is not exactly earth shattering news.

That doesn't mean that those diagnosed are trying to trick their way into AAP or into special treatment. In a perfect world, the system would allow for people to receive mental health, physical health, and educational help that meets their needs regardless of their income but we don't live in a Utopia.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

Over half the kids in our AAP got in the backdoor. Not sure why you are trying to keep this a secret.

B/c backdoor doesn’t mean what you think it does and there’s no widespread conspiracy to purchase diagnoses. You’re unhinged and obsessively committed to this fantasy.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

Agreed but the idea that the only people being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or the like are Rich White people is wrong. And the idea that simply going to a Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Pediatrician for a diagnosis that will get a kid into AAP as 2E is wrong. Pediatricians do not automatically give out ADHD diagnoses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists complete testing and use teacher data to determine if there are learning issues. There are not automatic diagnoses.

It is true that people with more money are more able to be able to afford private testing to identify a problem but that does not automatically translate to an IEP at a school or admission into AAP.

Essentially, there is no easy backdoor.

Race and insurance status are among the best predictors of whether or not a child has an ADHD diagnosis

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

Over half the kids in our AAP got in the backdoor. Not sure why you are trying to keep this a secret.

B/c backdoor doesn’t mean what you think it does and there’s no widespread conspiracy to purchase diagnoses. You’re unhinged and obsessively committed to this fantasy.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

Agreed but the idea that the only people being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or the like are Rich White people is wrong. And the idea that simply going to a Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Pediatrician for a diagnosis that will get a kid into AAP as 2E is wrong. Pediatricians do not automatically give out ADHD diagnoses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists complete testing and use teacher data to determine if there are learning issues. There are not automatic diagnoses.

It is true that people with more money are more able to be able to afford private testing to identify a problem but that does not automatically translate to an IEP at a school or admission into AAP.

Essentially, there is no easy backdoor.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

So what AAP was created to allow UMC children to segregate.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

Over half the kids in our AAP got in the backdoor. Not sure why you are trying to keep this a secret.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

So what AAP was created to allow UMC children to segregate.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

Over half the kids in our AAP got in the backdoor. Not sure why you are trying to keep this a secret.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.