Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 21:18     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


So bike lanes are racially biased? Is that the argument? So airports are racially biased too then. Shall we shut them down too. Highways are probably racially biased also. Let’s make sure we pull them out along with it. Just so that we take full advantage of the opportunity presented by this lawsuit, please make a long list of every piece of infrastructure that is used less frequently by black people and bring them to the attention of the necessary authorities.


According to some of the Connecticut Ave bike lane proponents, that was indeed one of the reasons why bike lanes were needed. They said, and it's all in the big thread if you don't believe me, that the road was primarily used by white people and therefore bike lanes were needed for equity reasons.


How nice. But, luckily for them, they weren’t stupid enough to make such claims the center piece of a lawsuit.


Wait, I want $50 if this joker uses DCUM as evidence. Who will bet me? What odds??
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 21:09     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


So bike lanes are racially biased? Is that the argument? So airports are racially biased too then. Shall we shut them down too. Highways are probably racially biased also. Let’s make sure we pull them out along with it. Just so that we take full advantage of the opportunity presented by this lawsuit, please make a long list of every piece of infrastructure that is used less frequently by black people and bring them to the attention of the necessary authorities.


According to some of the Connecticut Ave bike lane proponents, that was indeed one of the reasons why bike lanes were needed. They said, and it's all in the big thread if you don't believe me, that the road was primarily used by white people and therefore bike lanes were needed for equity reasons.


How nice. But, luckily for them, they weren’t stupid enough to make such claims the center piece of a lawsuit.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 21:05     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Lot of hostility on this thread towards disabled people.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 21:04     Subject: Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.


Read the lawsuit. It says that there are ways to accommodate both public transit with full access to the curb plus bicycles. However, the district intentionally selected a plan that did not include ADA accommodations for both drivers and passengers. The current plants require disabled drivers and passengers to stop and unload and assemble/configure their wheelchair in an actively used bicycle lane then have to direct their wheelchair to the nearest corner for them to access the curb and sidewalk.

The way to accomplish what you suggest is for the district to follow the federal law and select a plan that allows ADA accessible access to the curb and sidewalk without having to disembark their vehicles or public transit in active traffic lanes and to travel in the street to a corner in order to access the sidewalk. There are several proposed options, but the district ignored all of them when selecting their design plans. The lawsuit is trying to force them to reconsider and use one of the ADA accessible options.


How is this different from the current state of affairs? Right now, they still have to exit into an active lane of traffic and assemble the wheelchair in a treebox, or walk to the corner to get to a curbcut. If anything this is an improvement because they could assemble the wheelchair in the bikelane, then take the bikelane to the curb cut. This is a cheap attack on bike lanes.


You can't understand why I want my child on the safety of the grass ad not in traffic? Really? Do you let your child play in traffic, or is it just those of us whose children use wheelchairs that you think should do so?


+1
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 21:01     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


So bike lanes are racially biased? Is that the argument? So airports are racially biased too then. Shall we shut them down too. Highways are probably racially biased also. Let’s make sure we pull them out along with it. Just so that we take full advantage of the opportunity presented by this lawsuit, please make a long list of every piece of infrastructure that is used less frequently by black people and bring them to the attention of the necessary authorities.


According to some of the Connecticut Ave bike lane proponents, that was indeed one of the reasons why bike lanes were needed. They said, and it's all in the big thread if you don't believe me, that the road was primarily used by white people and therefore bike lanes were needed for equity reasons.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:56     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


So bike lanes are racially biased? Is that the argument? So airports are racially biased too then. Shall we shut them down too. Highways are probably racially biased also. Let’s make sure we pull them out along with it. Just so that we take full advantage of the opportunity presented by this lawsuit, please make a long list of every piece of infrastructure that is used less frequently by black people and bring them to the attention of the necessary authorities.


Shoot, the general lanes on Connecticut Ave are probably used disproportionately by white people. Better shut them down too, Nick. You're a real normal and reasonable guy now.

Is this really what the woke lefties are working on?
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:51     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


When you have no decent argument, pulling the race card may just be your best option.


No decent argument? The city does not stand a chance of winning this suit.


Winning it where exactly? In any self-respecting court of law, it will win a lot of laughs for sure.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:49     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


So bike lanes are racially biased? Is that the argument? So airports are racially biased too then. Shall we shut them down too. Highways are probably racially biased also. Let’s make sure we pull them out along with it. Just so that we take full advantage of the opportunity presented by this lawsuit, please make a long list of every piece of infrastructure that is used less frequently by black people and bring them to the attention of the necessary authorities.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:47     Subject: Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.


Read the lawsuit. It says that there are ways to accommodate both public transit with full access to the curb plus bicycles. However, the district intentionally selected a plan that did not include ADA accommodations for both drivers and passengers. The current plants require disabled drivers and passengers to stop and unload and assemble/configure their wheelchair in an actively used bicycle lane then have to direct their wheelchair to the nearest corner for them to access the curb and sidewalk.

The way to accomplish what you suggest is for the district to follow the federal law and select a plan that allows ADA accessible access to the curb and sidewalk without having to disembark their vehicles or public transit in active traffic lanes and to travel in the street to a corner in order to access the sidewalk. There are several proposed options, but the district ignored all of them when selecting their design plans. The lawsuit is trying to force them to reconsider and use one of the ADA accessible options.


How is this different from the current state of affairs? Right now, they still have to exit into an active lane of traffic and assemble the wheelchair in a treebox, or walk to the corner to get to a curbcut. If anything this is an improvement because they could assemble the wheelchair in the bikelane, then take the bikelane to the curb cut. This is a cheap attack on bike lanes.



Is this a joke? They would get mowed down by some a**hole on an ebike going 30mph.


From what I see on 15th street, the bicyclists stop for pedestrians far more than drivers. There are crosswalks without a stop sign so you can get a good comparison.


From what I know of being a pedestrian downtown, bicyclists never stop for anyone.


Wild, I just stopped for someone who walked into the bike lane without looking. Guess that wasn't you
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:47     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


When you have no decent argument, pulling the race card may just be your best option.


Strange that you say that when bike lane proponents did that first. They actually claimed that bike lanes will increase racial diversity in Cleveland Park.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:46     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


When you have no decent argument, pulling the race card may just be your best option.


No decent argument? The city does not stand a chance of winning this suit.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:43     Subject: Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.


Read the lawsuit. It says that there are ways to accommodate both public transit with full access to the curb plus bicycles. However, the district intentionally selected a plan that did not include ADA accommodations for both drivers and passengers. The current plants require disabled drivers and passengers to stop and unload and assemble/configure their wheelchair in an actively used bicycle lane then have to direct their wheelchair to the nearest corner for them to access the curb and sidewalk.

The way to accomplish what you suggest is for the district to follow the federal law and select a plan that allows ADA accessible access to the curb and sidewalk without having to disembark their vehicles or public transit in active traffic lanes and to travel in the street to a corner in order to access the sidewalk. There are several proposed options, but the district ignored all of them when selecting their design plans. The lawsuit is trying to force them to reconsider and use one of the ADA accessible options.


I tried. By the time I reached the fourth paragraph, I’d become so stupid that I’d lost the ability to read. Only with hours of remedial education have I regained that ability. I do not intend to lose it again.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:39     Subject: Re:Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:Per the lawsuit:

12 percent of DC residents have mobility disabilities
Three-quarters of them are African American
One third of them are over the age of 65

Bicyclists five times more likely to be white than Black
Bicyclists predominantly male, white, 25-40, higher income


When you have no decent argument, pulling the race card may just be your best option.
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:35     Subject: Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Nick DellaDonne, fearless advocate for the disabled . . .
Anonymous
Post 11/21/2022 20:33     Subject: Bike lanes violate disability access laws, new lawsuit says

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have to figure out how everyone can share the roads together. We all have rights to them no matter the modality.


Read the lawsuit. It says that there are ways to accommodate both public transit with full access to the curb plus bicycles. However, the district intentionally selected a plan that did not include ADA accommodations for both drivers and passengers. The current plants require disabled drivers and passengers to stop and unload and assemble/configure their wheelchair in an actively used bicycle lane then have to direct their wheelchair to the nearest corner for them to access the curb and sidewalk.

The way to accomplish what you suggest is for the district to follow the federal law and select a plan that allows ADA accessible access to the curb and sidewalk without having to disembark their vehicles or public transit in active traffic lanes and to travel in the street to a corner in order to access the sidewalk. There are several proposed options, but the district ignored all of them when selecting their design plans. The lawsuit is trying to force them to reconsider and use one of the ADA accessible options.


How is this different from the current state of affairs? Right now, they still have to exit into an active lane of traffic and assemble the wheelchair in a treebox, or walk to the corner to get to a curbcut. If anything this is an improvement because they could assemble the wheelchair in the bikelane, then take the bikelane to the curb cut. This is a cheap attack on bike lanes.



Is this a joke? They would get mowed down by some a**hole on an ebike going 30mph.


From what I see on 15th street, the bicyclists stop for pedestrians far more than drivers. There are crosswalks without a stop sign so you can get a good comparison.


From what I know of being a pedestrian downtown, bicyclists never stop for anyone.


As the lawsuit notes, they yell at people for being in "their" bike lanes.