Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 17:08     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:So what are the "numbers" that recruited athletes need to hit on the academic scorecard to get in to the Ivy+ schools?

At least 25th percentile? 50th?


It depends on the sport and how good of an athlete the kid is (i.e., how much the school wants to recruit him/her). Not all recruited athletes are the same...for top recruits, test optional applies. Before TO, I heard of football recruits at H/Y/P getting in with a 21 on ACT. For less desirable recruits, the test scores will need to be higher. This also varies by sport. Some sports are filled with high income kids with high test scores (sailing, squash, etc.). Probably all those kids need high test across-the-board. For other sports (football in particular given how big rosters are and that the number of kids in the country playing football is falling), there's going to be way more flexibility. There is very little uniformity in college athletic recruiting from school-to-school, sport-to-sport, recruit-to-recruit.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 16:44     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:DS is being recruited by JHU. Was told by the coach that they want to see 1500/34 and top 10% of HS class.


Can confirm.


Yes low-level athletics they will want high academic performers


Hopkins has low level lax?

Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 16:36     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So what are the "numbers" that recruited athletes need to hit on the academic scorecard to get in to the Ivy+ schools?

At least 25th percentile? 50th?


Somewhere 1300 and 1400, for the kids I know. Non revenue sports.


That would put them at probably the 5th percentile at a place like Harvard lol

25th percentile is a 1460.

1300-1400 feels really low.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 16:23     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:So what are the "numbers" that recruited athletes need to hit on the academic scorecard to get in to the Ivy+ schools?

At least 25th percentile? 50th?


Somewhere 1300 and 1400, for the kids I know. Non revenue sports.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 16:20     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
So what are the "numbers" that recruited athletes need to hit on the academic scorecard to get in to the Ivy+ schools?

At least 25th percentile? 50th?
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 16:16     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:My niece got accepted into Yale as a recruited athlete a few years back from a public school in the DMV with 1230 SAT and 3.3 GPA. My niece is Asian if that matters.


LOL you're not even trying to make this credible. Every word you say contradicts every other word.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 16:15     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.


This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

And with Test Optional, they may not be submitting scores.


No they are required to submit scores.


This is not true for all Ivies for all sports. Stop spreading misinformation


Fine, the athletic recruits I know at top Ivy and T20 schools were all required to submit a standardized test score that exceeded a minimum set by the college. Happy now?

DP. Why would athletes be required to submit standardized test scores if the schools have a Test Optional policy?


If you are getting in that particular admissions path, perhaps they want additional guarantees you can do the work. The minimums these recruits were given are significantly lower than the median for these schools.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 15:26     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.


This is definitely not true to some of the P/H/Yrecruits at our school, decent students but would not get in based on academic merit alone, not even close. Non revenue sports.

And with Test Optional, they may not be submitting scores.


No they are required to submit scores.


This is not true for all Ivies for all sports. Stop spreading misinformation


Fine, the athletic recruits I know at top Ivy and T20 schools were all required to submit a standardized test score that exceeded a minimum set by the college. Happy now?

DP. Why would athletes be required to submit standardized test scores if the schools have a Test Optional policy?
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 15:12     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
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Anonymous wrote:Schools want their students to have success. Using a kid for athletics who may not be able to hack it in the classroom doesn't serve anybody, mostly the student-athlete.


Well, Uchicago accepted him.


Transfer admissions also work differently and scores are not nearly as important.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 14:32     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.


OMG, this is not true. Yes, I understand the Academic Index, but I have seen this in action and have had it confirmed by a close friend who works in admissions. Anyone who thinks all athletes meet Ivy standards is ridiculous. And I am a parent of two recruited athletes...so I am saying this as someone who benefits from this process.

NESCAC, MIT, CalTech are different....they have academic standards. The Ivies do not demand this for all applicants (of course, many athletes meet these standards, but plenty do not)

Yes, the PP you are responding to is confused about the process, and I’m surprised that no one has jumped in with the Harvard admissions data that shows just how much Ivies lower grade and test score for athletic recruits. Even for non-revenue sports, the top one or two recruits for a class can get admitted with a 1250 SAT if they have good grades. Athletes that the coaches are less interested in have to have higher stats to compensate. That’s how the index works.


And the majority of the athletic recruits are UMC and white ( fencing, squash, field hockey, etc.). Not everyone has a 1550.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 14:03     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
My niece got accepted into Yale as a recruited athlete a few years back from a public school in the DMV with 1230 SAT and 3.3 GPA. My niece is Asian if that matters.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 13:17     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
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Anonymous wrote:It's kind of funny that people cite the athletics as the hook.

But, in reality, for kids that really, really want to play at a D1 top 20 school...his/her academic record/test scores are actually the hook to get on the team. They will be able to get on the team with lesser talent than a better player that doesn't have the grades/test scores.


Ummmmm...these are high level academic colleges. Of course that is the hook. The odd thing is wanting to let in those athletes over other attributes but that is just how it is.


It's only "odd" if you think colleges (a) are not a business, and (b) have only the purpose to educate. Neither one is true or has ever been true.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 13:13     Subject: Re:Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SO--my Junior has been told (as have all the recruits) that for their sport (no Basketball or Football)---they have to have the credentials to be admitted on their own in order to be recruited. If they don't have the scores and grades, they can't fudge or push them through admissions. The Ivies definitely hold the athlete to the same standard as regular adminissions--but it is less a lottery for them with this hook. If there is an absolute superstar they might be able to get them in with slightly lower gpa/scores, but that is rare.


OMG, this is not true. Yes, I understand the Academic Index, but I have seen this in action and have had it confirmed by a close friend who works in admissions. Anyone who thinks all athletes meet Ivy standards is ridiculous. And I am a parent of two recruited athletes...so I am saying this as someone who benefits from this process.

NESCAC, MIT, CalTech are different....they have academic standards. The Ivies do not demand this for all applicants (of course, many athletes meet these standards, but plenty do not)

Yes, the PP you are responding to is confused about the process, and I’m surprised that no one has jumped in with the Harvard admissions data that shows just how much Ivies lower grade and test score for athletic recruits. Even for non-revenue sports, the top one or two recruits for a class can get admitted with a 1250 SAT if they have good grades. Athletes that the coaches are less interested in have to have higher stats to compensate. That’s how the index works.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 13:13     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
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Anonymous wrote:Checkout this video at the seven minutes mark. He was the top three recruit, ranked #1 in the country at the age of eighteen. However, he couldn't get into Yale or UPenn due to his 1200 SAT score. Good enough to get into UVA. He left UVA after one year to go to UChicago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md_2xZ7YIqE&t=1620s

I guess Yale and UPenn do want athletes who also have high SAT scores. Very revealing.


It's for Tennis. See what would happen if the number 1 ranked mens basketball recruit wanted to attend Yale with a 1200 SAT


Anyone who thinks the Ivies don't compromise academics for sports is totally kidding themselves. My kid is a recruited athlete and we know for a fact that Harvard, Yale, etc. will dip way down academically if the kid is very good at their sport, even for non-revenue generating sports. But all of this is a moot point now because Ivies are test optional and the NCAA no longer has a minimum SAT score requirement. So I can guarantee you there are kids who couldn't even get close to a 1200 on their SAT who are at Ivies now and heading there in the future as long as test optional is in place.

In our experience, D3 schools--unlike Ivies-- actually care about academics w/ respect to athletes. While they may make slight compromises on standards, it's nothing like the Ivies. For example, there are plenty of kids in my kids' sport who announce at the beginning of their junior year that they are verbally committed to Harvard/Yale/Princeton. That means they are getting the nod from these schools based on 2 years of grades (freshman, sophomore) + test optional. Ivies are a total joke in this regard. For this and other reasons, the Ivies are no longer the premiere academic institutions in this country.


Yes Ivies stretch for sports, though perhaps not at the same level as other schools. Kid in my high school was top 10 in class, with OK test scores but nothing spectacular. Got into a top Ivy and played football.


Not many defensive tackles are destined to be Rhodes Scholars, but football teams still need them
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2022 13:10     Subject: Admission for athletic recruits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Checkout this video at the seven minutes mark. He was the top three recruit, ranked #1 in the country at the age of eighteen. However, he couldn't get into Yale or UPenn due to his 1200 SAT score. Good enough to get into UVA. He left UVA after one year to go to UChicago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md_2xZ7YIqE&t=1620s

I guess Yale and UPenn do want athletes who also have high SAT scores. Very revealing.


It's for Tennis. See what would happen if the number 1 ranked mens basketball recruit wanted to attend Yale with a 1200 SAT


Anyone who thinks the Ivies don't compromise academics for sports is totally kidding themselves. My kid is a recruited athlete and we know for a fact that Harvard, Yale, etc. will dip way down academically if the kid is very good at their sport, even for non-revenue generating sports. But all of this is a moot point now because Ivies are test optional and the NCAA no longer has a minimum SAT score requirement. So I can guarantee you there are kids who couldn't even get close to a 1200 on their SAT who are at Ivies now and heading there in the future as long as test optional is in place.

In our experience, D3 schools--unlike Ivies-- actually care about academics w/ respect to athletes. While they may make slight compromises on standards, it's nothing like the Ivies. For example, there are plenty of kids in my kids' sport who announce at the beginning of their junior year that they are verbally committed to Harvard/Yale/Princeton. That means they are getting the nod from these schools based on 2 years of grades (freshman, sophomore) + test optional. Ivies are a total joke in this regard. For this and other reasons, the Ivies are no longer the premiere academic institutions in this country.


Yes Ivies stretch for sports, though perhaps not at the same level as other schools. Kid in my high school was top 10 in class, with OK test scores but nothing spectacular. Got into a top Ivy and played football.