Anonymous
10/24/2022 15:00
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Do you think only evangelical Christians “pretend” Halloween isn’t your sacred holiday? All other religions, the non-religious, and everyone in between vocally acknowledge your sacred holiday?
This forum is a joke…now evangelicals aren’t acknowledging Samhain!
What I hate is the hypocrisy. It is a pagan holiday. Pretending it isn’t is ridiculous. I actually respect the churches that don’t celebrate it at all. At least they acknowledge that the holiday is not one evangelicals should participate in.
Pagans sacrificed humans and animals, and practiced cannibalism. Do you do such things to authentically worship your most sacred holiday?
Do you smear yourself with the blood of sacrificed animals and humans on Yule?
Well at my church we drink blood and eat Jesus’ body.
Well, you aren’t putting live, screaming infants on altars and murdering them to appease angry gods…which is why Jesus wants us to eat crackers and drink tiny cups of grape juice, instead.
pp isn’t a pagan. pagans needed blood to worship.
Um. God told Abraham to put his baby on an Alter as a sacrifice. 😂
(altar) We don’t do that anymore, and the “pagans” here don’t either. I bet they take Christmas vacation from work and open Christmas presents though!
Modern paganism began in the 18th century, so not much blood sacrafices.
Do you take vacation during the week of Dec 25th? Even if you call it “Winter break,” the origins of holding it over Dec 25 are clearly Christian, so isn’t that just as “hypocritical” and appropriation?
Or do you take any vacation some other time, like in January or February?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:57
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Do you think only evangelical Christians “pretend” Halloween isn’t your sacred holiday? All other religions, the non-religious, and everyone in between vocally acknowledge your sacred holiday?
This forum is a joke…now evangelicals aren’t acknowledging Samhain!
What I hate is the hypocrisy. It is a pagan holiday. Pretending it isn’t is ridiculous. I actually respect the churches that don’t celebrate it at all. At least they acknowledge that the holiday is not one evangelicals should participate in.
Pagans sacrificed humans and animals, and practiced cannibalism. Do you do such things to authentically worship your most sacred holiday?
Do you smear yourself with the blood of sacrificed animals and humans on Yule?
Well at my church we drink blood and eat Jesus’ body.
Well, you aren’t putting live, screaming infants on altars and murdering them to appease angry gods…which is why Jesus wants us to eat crackers and drink tiny cups of grape juice, instead.
pp isn’t a pagan. pagans needed blood to worship.
Um. God told Abraham to put his baby on an Alter as a sacrifice. 😂
(altar) We don’t do that anymore, and the “pagans” here don’t either. I bet they take Christmas vacation from work and open Christmas presents though!
Modern paganism began in the 18th century, so not much blood sacrafices.
Christians were celebrating All Souls Day by at least the third or fourth century CE.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:47
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Do you think only evangelical Christians “pretend” Halloween isn’t your sacred holiday? All other religions, the non-religious, and everyone in between vocally acknowledge your sacred holiday?
This forum is a joke…now evangelicals aren’t acknowledging Samhain!
What I hate is the hypocrisy. It is a pagan holiday. Pretending it isn’t is ridiculous. I actually respect the churches that don’t celebrate it at all. At least they acknowledge that the holiday is not one evangelicals should participate in.
Pagans sacrificed humans and animals, and practiced cannibalism. Do you do such things to authentically worship your most sacred holiday?
Do you smear yourself with the blood of sacrificed animals and humans on Yule?
Well at my church we drink blood and eat Jesus’ body.
Well, you aren’t putting live, screaming infants on altars and murdering them to appease angry gods…which is why Jesus wants us to eat crackers and drink tiny cups of grape juice, instead.
pp isn’t a pagan. pagans needed blood to worship.
Um. God told Abraham to put his baby on an Alter as a sacrifice. 😂
(altar) We don’t do that anymore, and the “pagans” here don’t either. I bet they take Christmas vacation from work and open Christmas presents though!
Modern paganism began in the 18th century, so not much blood sacrafices.
So could the pagan arguing that Pagan traditions shouldn’t be hijacked explain their current practices’ relationship to paganism in the ancient world, when Jews and Christians were celebrating with eggs and pagans were sacrificing chickens to read auguries?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:43
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Do you think only evangelical Christians “pretend” Halloween isn’t your sacred holiday? All other religions, the non-religious, and everyone in between vocally acknowledge your sacred holiday?
This forum is a joke…now evangelicals aren’t acknowledging Samhain!
What I hate is the hypocrisy. It is a pagan holiday. Pretending it isn’t is ridiculous. I actually respect the churches that don’t celebrate it at all. At least they acknowledge that the holiday is not one evangelicals should participate in.
Pagans sacrificed humans and animals, and practiced cannibalism. Do you do such things to authentically worship your most sacred holiday?
Do you smear yourself with the blood of sacrificed animals and humans on Yule?
Well at my church we drink blood and eat Jesus’ body.
Well, you aren’t putting live, screaming infants on altars and murdering them to appease angry gods…which is why Jesus wants us to eat crackers and drink tiny cups of grape juice, instead.
pp isn’t a pagan. pagans needed blood to worship.
Um. God told Abraham to put his baby on an Alter as a sacrifice. 😂
(altar) We don’t do that anymore, and the “pagans” here don’t either. I bet they take Christmas vacation from work and open Christmas presents though!
Modern paganism began in the 18th century, so not much blood sacrafices.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:39
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Easter bunnies were never part of Catholicism. They have German origins and some say it was Martin Luther himself who introduced them. In fact, when the German immigrants brought the custom to the US, some American +Catholic churches condemned them until someone basically argued "what harm does it do?" Still the Easter bunny in Europe is still associated with Lutheran areas.
Eggs became associated with Easter because they were one of the foods prohibited during the 40 days of Lenten fasting. So on Easter people celebrated by eating eggs--which were more plentiful in the diet of poor people than meat.
Eggs became associated with Easter because they were one of the foods prohibited during the 40 days of Lenten fasting. So on Easter people celebrated by eating eggs--which were more plentiful in the diet of poor people than meat.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:36
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:As we have a few pagans on this thread, and it’s settled that Halloween isn’t actually a Christian holiday, I wonder if someone could explain the role of the goat in pagan/Wicca belief?
In addition to the Wiccan goat, could somebody explain the ceremonial use of eggs and rabbits?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:25
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Easter was originally a Roman fertility rite that included sacrifices too.
Nope. Easter started during Passover. The Last Supper was a Passover meal and the supper and Jesus’ death occurred when Jerusalem was clogged with people celebrating Passover. This is Christianity 101.
Oh, really? What is the origin of the word "Easter"? And the rabbits and eggs as symbols?
It's more complicated than your curt "nope" implies. Like many religious holidays (such as Christmas), it's origins are tied to seasonal changes, solstices and equinoxes.
Easter was known as Pascha (Passover) in Latin and Greek, and Paques in French, centuries before people started speaking what we know as English in the British isles. Honestly the fact that we’re speaking English now is pretty irrelevant to the holiday’s establishment.
There’s pretty good consensus (except among pagans and atheists
) that the English word Easter came to us first from the Latin designation of Easter week as in albis (plural of alba or dawn) which was translated into old high German as Eostarum (also “dawn”).
Anonymous
10/24/2022 14:14
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Easter was originally a Roman fertility rite that included sacrifices too.
Nope. Easter started during Passover. The Last Supper was a Passover meal and the supper and Jesus’ death occurred when Jerusalem was clogged with people celebrating Passover. This is Christianity 101.
Oh, really? What is the origin of the word "Easter"? And the rabbits and eggs as symbols?
It's more complicated than your curt "nope" implies. Like many religious holidays (such as Christmas), it's origins are tied to seasonal changes, solstices and equinoxes.
Yes really, the Last Supper was a Passover meal. This is scriptural (it’s in the New Testament) and it’s really fundamental. Why would you claim that it’s not part of Passover?
The eggs may have come from Passover. Regardless, eggs and bunnies are not part of liturgy or scripture.
What role do eggs and bunnies play in Wicca? Are you saying that Wicca has a monopoly on using eggs and bunnies, and Jews shouldn’t be using eggs at Passover either?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 13:42
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Nope - Big Trunk or treat planned for this weekend!
Anonymous
10/24/2022 13:22
Subject: Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I lived in Carly, NC in the 1990's, The local evangelical and Catholic churches went full on with hating Halloween.
We were left pamphlets every Halloween how we were going to hell etc....
Then on Halloween, they came to the doors. They were horrific...
Catholic and evangelical people came to your house on halloween to tell you you were going to hell?
Yes, I was in my late 20's first child. OMG so scary.
The pamphlets were creepy and just awful. Worse than anything Halloween could bring.
Those people were not Catholic.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 13:15
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Easter was originally a Roman fertility rite that included sacrifices too.
Nope. Easter started during Passover. The Last Supper was a Passover meal and the supper and Jesus’ death occurred when Jerusalem was clogged with people celebrating Passover. This is Christianity 101.
Oh, really? What is the origin of the word "Easter"? And the rabbits and eggs as symbols?
It's more complicated than your curt "nope" implies. Like many religious holidays (such as Christmas), it's origins are tied to seasonal changes, solstices and equinoxes.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 11:22
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Easter was originally a Roman fertility rite that included sacrifices too.
Nope. Easter started during Passover. The Last Supper was a Passover meal and the supper and Jesus’ death occurred when Jerusalem was clogged with people celebrating Passover. This is Christianity 101.
And Passover, in turn, may have been an ancient, pagan Canaanite ritual before Israel had its own identity. https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-04-02/ty-article/.premium/passover-canaanite-ritual-to-stop-rain/0000017f-db20-d856-a37f-ffe052970000?_amp=true
Anonymous
10/24/2022 10:43
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
As we have a few pagans on this thread, and it’s settled that Halloween isn’t actually a Christian holiday, I wonder if someone could explain the role of the goat in pagan/Wicca belief?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 10:29
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Do you think only evangelical Christians “pretend” Halloween isn’t your sacred holiday? All other religions, the non-religious, and everyone in between vocally acknowledge your sacred holiday?
This forum is a joke…now evangelicals aren’t acknowledging Samhain!
What I hate is the hypocrisy. It is a pagan holiday. Pretending it isn’t is ridiculous. I actually respect the churches that don’t celebrate it at all. At least they acknowledge that the holiday is not one evangelicals should participate in.
Trick or treating, pumpkins and the like are actually secular holidays and have nothing to do with scripture or liturgy.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 08:10
Subject: Re:Is your church against celebrating Halloween and trick or treat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another appropriated holiday. Samhain is a very sacred holiday in my faith. It’s the day the veil is at its thinnest. We communicate with and honor our deceased ancestors. Costumes were meant to help the living blend in with the dead. We carve Jack-o-lanterns to scare away any unwanted guests. It is our most important festival. I love that we celebrate Halloween in the US. But I hate how evangelical Christians pretend it isn’t a pagan/Wiccan holiday. Same with Yule (Christmas). Same with Ostara (Easter). All the so-called “Christian” holidays were appropriated.
If you attend a church that celebrates Samhain (Halloween), your church is 10O% hypocritical. It is a pagan holiday.
Easter was originally a Roman fertility rite that included sacrifices too.
Nope. Easter started during Passover. The Last Supper was a Passover meal and the supper and Jesus’ death occurred when Jerusalem was clogged with people celebrating Passover. This is Christianity 101.