Anonymous
10/18/2022 09:30
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Friend's daughter had Wheaton College in MA as her safety. They have an interesting study abroad arrangement with Bhutan with a focus on environmental studies.
Anonymous
10/18/2022 09:26
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Goucher is another one in Baltimore, and I think it’s also in a safe part of town and gives merit.
Look at CTCL schools, too.
I wouldn’t recommend CTCL schools.
Because?
I dare not say more. Criticism of CTCL schools is strictly monitored on DCUM and immediately deleted.
I thought this forum seemed saner on this front lately. Let me try to summarize for the blissfully unware PP.
Many of us have had kids who attended CTCLs, and found them to be special communities in which our students thrived.
When the category of schools is brought up though, at least one (he claims they are legion though) poster starts complaining it is just a marketing gimmick. As near as I can tell, this poser or crowd has not first-hand experience with said schools. Anyway, the CTCL list was originally created by the New York Times' education reporter--not some marketing genius.
Oh, and there is another poster (I kid you not) who used to get set off by the fact that apparently the acronym also connotes a type of cancer.
Anyway, those schools are not for everyone. They are small, and often located in rural settings. They she offer a lot of support and very close relationships with faculty members. My kid got into six other higher ranked schools, but was drawn to one anyway. And as I said, exceeded all expectations there (for grades, leadership roles, research experiences, community engagement, internships, national awards, etc).
I recommend their traveling road show, which I am sure is a recruiting vehicle, but they also present a generic approach to the college search that is very healthy (even if the schools are their list do not appeal to your son or daughter). Good luck.
No, this forum isn’t “saner” on this issue - it’s being censored. There is a poster who monitors the board for any criticism of a CTCL school, immediately reports it to Jeff, and Jeff inexplicably deletes it.
The only thing that so-called CTCL schools have in common is their collusion to market themselves as somehow more “special” than hundreds of other second and third tier colleges with similar costs, low graduation rates, and lack of name recognition.
This poster’s comments are a good example of the problem. Their kid went to a school that happens to be on the CTCL website, and on that basis she thinks she’s an expert of every one of the dozens of schools on that list. It’s just crazy talk.
It’ll be interesting to see how long my post will be allows to stand.
NP here. You sound a little paranoid. My kid did not attended a CTCL school but looked at several. They actually looked really good. Agree there is some marketing going on, but these are small schools that folks might not otherwise hear about. All schools market themselves.
Anonymous
10/18/2022 09:26
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've heard that no college wants to be your safety so if your kid's stats are too high above their average, they will get rejected, especially if they have not shown demonstrated interest. Any validity to this?
Yes of course. Yield Protection.
Ugh. Does this mean there is a bit of a hole for un-hooked high stats kids (nothing extra for reach schools, yield protected from safeties)?
Oh come on. High stats kids have the advantage over low stats kids, obviously. Don't act like there is no place for them to go. Just show a genuine interest in the safeties you are considering (like visit them).
Sorry of the parents on this board breaking out the violins. Your kid will have many appealing options. You just have to have the wisdom to recognize them as such.
Anonymous
10/18/2022 09:20
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've heard that no college wants to be your safety so if your kid's stats are too high above their average, they will get rejected, especially if they have not shown demonstrated interest. Any validity to this?
Yes of course. Yield Protection.
Ugh. Does this mean there is a bit of a hole for un-hooked high stats kids (nothing extra for reach schools, yield protected from safeties)?
Anonymous
10/18/2022 08:56
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Goucher is another one in Baltimore, and I think it’s also in a safe part of town and gives merit.
Look at CTCL schools, too.
I wouldn’t recommend CTCL schools.
Because?
I dare not say more. Criticism of CTCL schools is strictly monitored on DCUM and immediately deleted.
I thought this forum seemed saner on this front lately. Let me try to summarize for the blissfully unware PP.
Many of us have had kids who attended CTCLs, and found them to be special communities in which our students thrived.
When the category of schools is brought up though, at least one (he claims they are legion though) poster starts complaining it is just a marketing gimmick. As near as I can tell, this poser or crowd has not first-hand experience with said schools. Anyway, the CTCL list was originally created by the New York Times' education reporter--not some marketing genius.
Oh, and there is another poster (I kid you not) who used to get set off by the fact that apparently the acronym also connotes a type of cancer.
Anyway, those schools are not for everyone. They are small, and often located in rural settings. They she offer a lot of support and very close relationships with faculty members. My kid got into six other higher ranked schools, but was drawn to one anyway. And as I said, exceeded all expectations there (for grades, leadership roles, research experiences, community engagement, internships, national awards, etc).
I recommend their traveling road show, which I am sure is a recruiting vehicle, but they also present a generic approach to the college search that is very healthy (even if the schools are their list do not appeal to your son or daughter). Good luck.
No, this forum isn’t “saner” on this issue - it’s being censored. There is a poster who monitors the board for any criticism of a CTCL school, immediately reports it to Jeff, and Jeff inexplicably deletes it.
The only thing that so-called CTCL schools have in common is their collusion to market themselves as somehow more “special” than hundreds of other second and third tier colleges with similar costs, low graduation rates, and lack of name recognition.
This poster’s comments are a good example of the problem. Their kid went to a school that happens to be on the CTCL website, and on that basis she thinks she’s an expert of every one of the dozens of schools on that list. It’s just crazy talk.
It’ll be interesting to see how long my post will be allows to stand.
Anonymous
10/18/2022 07:55
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:If low income, why not use your affordable state schools as a safety? They generally let kids in by the numbers so are more of a sure bet. Many also tend to give academic merit aid to top students.
My thoughts exactly. Rutgers seems to have an environmental science major and a well thought of English department and SUNY has a whole college of environmental science
Anonymous
10/18/2022 05:54
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
University of Miami
Anonymous
10/18/2022 05:52
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:UVM might be a good fit. Lots of environmental focus and great merit aid for your profile.
Unless your family is jewish - lots of antisemitic things going on right now (just Google - my child's BFF is there now)
Or if you are a person of color - school is 82% white
Anonymous
10/17/2022 19:05
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
UVM might be a good fit. Lots of environmental focus and great merit aid for your profile.
Anonymous
10/17/2022 16:42
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
Point being, Tulane gets that number by just not accepting kids through regular decision, which makes it a poor safety choice. And the safety terminology just doesn't work if you are talking about ED.
Anonymous
10/17/2022 16:34
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Tulane Northeastern. Obvious.
Obvious you don't understand admissions. The prevalence of ED takes certain schools out of the safety category, Tulane being the primary example.
+2 No way is Tulane a safety for anyone. It had an 8.4% acceptance rate last year,
Anonymous
10/17/2022 16:32
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Goucher is another one in Baltimore, and I think it’s also in a safe part of town and gives merit.
Look at CTCL schools, too.
I wouldn’t recommend CTCL schools.
Because?
I dare not say more. Criticism of CTCL schools is strictly monitored on DCUM and immediately deleted.
I thought this forum seemed saner on this front lately. Let me try to summarize for the blissfully unware PP.
Many of us have had kids who attended CTCLs, and found them to be special communities in which our students thrived.
When the category of schools is brought up though, at least one (he claims they are legion though) poster starts complaining it is just a marketing gimmick. As near as I can tell, this poser or crowd has not first-hand experience with said schools. Anyway, the CTCL list was originally created by the New York Times' education reporter--not some marketing genius.
Oh, and there is another poster (I kid you not) who used to get set off by the fact that apparently the acronym also connotes a type of cancer.
Anyway, those schools are not for everyone. They are small, and often located in rural settings. They she offer a lot of support and very close relationships with faculty members. My kid got into six other higher ranked schools, but was drawn to one anyway. And as I said, exceeded all expectations there (for grades, leadership roles, research experiences, community engagement, internships, national awards, etc).
I recommend their traveling road show, which I am sure is a recruiting vehicle, but they also present a generic approach to the college search that is very healthy (even if the schools are their list do not appeal to your son or daughter). Good luck.
Anonymous
10/17/2022 16:19
Subject: Re:Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:McDaniel, Pitt, Temple, Duquesne University, Clark University, Rowan University, Hofstra, Chatham University, Gettysburg College
PP here. Sorry, I was thinking of this from a PA resident perspective, in which case Pitt might not be the most affordable school to consider as a safety/match (and it might not be considered a safety anymore, depending on state of residence and stats). My kids and their friends have had good results with the other schools on this list, as well as Wooster and Denison as someone mentioned. Allegheny College too, although that is about an hour away from Pittsburgh.
Anonymous
10/17/2022 16:18
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Tulane Northeastern. Obvious.
Tulane and Miami are still willing to throw money at high stats kids to get them to attend, might be worthwhile.
Yes on Tulane. Don't know about Miami. Got substantial money applying EA for highish stats kid and we were full pay. Ended up at Ivy so didn't take it.
Anonymous
10/17/2022 15:55
Subject: Need suggestions on safety schools
Don't be afraid of applying to private school. For many private schools, cost are far cheaper for relatively lower income students (under $75K) than public schools.