Anonymous wrote:Ignore the commenters OP. Just ignore this whole forum — the folks commenting on DCUM’s politics forum with this kind of passion on a beautiful Saturday aren’t your typical, balanced people.

Anonymous wrote:I’m worried about the complete lack of critical thinking about Ukraine and Zelensky. Sure, they beat siding with Russia. But I wonder if we’re being played.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.

Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.

Sure you are.

We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?

The alternative options are all worse and would have disastrous second/third order long term consequences. They've done a good job of staying calm and not getting baited. They also smartly got lend lease set up to get around any problems that might arise should Republicans get a majority in the mid terms. I'm more worried about Erdogan playing us than Zelensky. The Azeri-Armenian stuff is concerning.

Why is the Azeri Azerbaijan stuff concerning?

It’s just some caucasians beating up each other.

Erdogan is a very easy person to understand/deal with if you understand turkey’s geographic importance and respect the power that flows from that geography

Putin and Erdogan are very similar. Neither are difficult to understand and both have imperial ambitions. Just as Putin wants a new Russian Empire Erdogan wants a new Ottoman Empire. I'm worried about Turkey starting a second front (especially with Congress being pro-Armenian), things spiralling, and Turkey making a play for Dagestan/Chechnya. All of which make sense tactically from Turkey's perspective.

No one cares about Armenia except people who like the kardashians

Completely irrelevant

Btw Ottoman Empire crumbling a century ago lead to a lot of bad things btw — the issue with bro-ottomans isn’t their imperial ambitions but their Islamism

Congress cares about Armenia. The Armenian lobby has been very strong on the hill. The American people barely knows it exists though.

A second front via Turkey is useful from a short term Ukrainian perspective but medium term and from a broader persepective creates lots of not necessarily good complications.

Islamism is just a tool used in internal power games. As we already know from Chechnya, Afghanistan, and other places. It is a pandora's box when it gets opened. If Turkey makes a stronger move it will use Islamism as part of its tool chest.

Any time an empire crumbles bad things that had been papered over are unleashed. This is especially true if outside powers get involved. It is better if it happens organically. That being said, Turkey is a counter weight to Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Anonymous wrote:You guys actually think Biden will respond if Russia uses Nukes? Doubt it. More sanctions and more talks. That’s all.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.

Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.

Sure you are.

We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?

The alternative options are all worse and would have disastrous second/third order long term consequences. They've done a good job of staying calm and not getting baited. They also smartly got lend lease set up to get around any problems that might arise should Republicans get a majority in the mid terms. I'm more worried about Erdogan playing us than Zelensky. The Azeri-Armenian stuff is concerning.

Why is the Azeri Azerbaijan stuff concerning?

It’s just some caucasians beating up each other.

Erdogan is a very easy person to understand/deal with if you understand turkey’s geographic importance and respect the power that flows from that geography

Putin and Erdogan are very similar. Neither are difficult to understand and both have imperial ambitions. Just as Putin wants a new Russian Empire Erdogan wants a new Ottoman Empire. I'm worried about Turkey starting a second front (especially with Congress being pro-Armenian), things spiralling, and Turkey making a play for Dagestan/Chechnya. All of which make sense tactically from Turkey's perspective.

No one cares about Armenia except people who like the kardashians

Completely irrelevant

Btw Ottoman Empire crumbling a century ago lead to a lot of bad things btw — the issue with bro-ottomans isn’t their imperial ambitions but their Islamism

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.

Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.

I hear you OP

I appreciate much about Joe Biden and his administration.

However, his comment about Armageddon, the final battle between good and evil in the Bible, was not wise.

Putin is nuts, amoral, desperate by now and does not have much to lose. This is not the time for inflammatory rhetoric.

Yeah, let’s continue to appease the despot because that has worked so well.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.

Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.

I hear you OP

I appreciate much about Joe Biden and his administration.

However, his comment about Armageddon, the final battle between good and evil in the Bible, was not wise.

Putin is nuts, amoral, desperate by now and does not have much to lose. This is not the time for inflammatory rhetoric.

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Anonymous wrote:Russia isn’t gonna nuke the us homeland

At worst they’ll use tac nuke in Ukraine…

….which means we have even more cover to bog down and grind down Russians in Ukraine even more.

Remember people, Ukraine is the anvil we are using to beat down and shape Russia into what we want

But if we make the people THINK we’re gonna get nuked, Biden can ‘pull us back from the brink’ ala Bay of Pigs

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.

Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.

Anonymous wrote:Russia isn’t gonna nuke the us homeland

At worst they’ll use tac nuke in Ukraine…

….which means we have even more cover to bog down and grind down Russians in Ukraine even more.

Remember people, Ukraine is the anvil we are using to beat down and shape Russia into what we want

Anonymous wrote:Ignore the commenters OP. Just ignore this whole forum — the folks commenting on DCUM’s politics forum with this kind of passion on a beautiful Saturday aren’t your typical, balanced people.