Anonymous
10/29/2022 12:21
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only important perspective here is that of the local population.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Conversion-was-Mother-Teresas-real-aim-RSS-chief-Mohan-Bhagwat-says/articleshow/46348555.cms
“ her selfish aim devalued the virtues of a noble cause. Mother Teresa’s work had ulterior motive, which was to convert the person. In the name of service, religious conversions were made.
“ he had witnessed forced conversion of tribal by Roman Catholics.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4331469/mother-teresa-bharat-ratna-missionaries-of-charity-trafficking/amp/
“Last week, Indian authorities said they busted a baby-trafficking racket in a shelter run by the Missionaries of Charity, the religious order set up by the late Albanian-Indian missionary in 1950.
Child welfare authorities said a nun and one other person linked to the charity were selling babies to childless couples for between $550 and $1,450.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068500102/india-blocks-foreign-funding-for-mother-teresas-charity
“ Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has accused the Missionaries of Charity and other Christian groups of trying to force Hindus to convert. The charity has denied the government's accusations.
Earlier this month, police in the western state of Gujarat filed a legal case against a homeless shelter for girls run by the Missionaries of Charity. They accused the group of forcing Hindu girls to marry into Christian families.”
DP. The last two are from long after her death—she died in 1997.
I’m sure you can find many more testimonies from people, their friends and family who were helped, but I don’t have the time to waste on you today.
The point was: it's up to the people of India to determine if her "help" - and its legacy - has been welcome or not.
Agreed. 1-2 quotes doesn’t make the case for or against.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 12:20
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only important perspective here is that of the local population.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Conversion-was-Mother-Teresas-real-aim-RSS-chief-Mohan-Bhagwat-says/articleshow/46348555.cms
“ her selfish aim devalued the virtues of a noble cause. Mother Teresa’s work had ulterior motive, which was to convert the person. In the name of service, religious conversions were made.
“ he had witnessed forced conversion of tribal by Roman Catholics.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4331469/mother-teresa-bharat-ratna-missionaries-of-charity-trafficking/amp/
“Last week, Indian authorities said they busted a baby-trafficking racket in a shelter run by the Missionaries of Charity, the religious order set up by the late Albanian-Indian missionary in 1950.
Child welfare authorities said a nun and one other person linked to the charity were selling babies to childless couples for between $550 and $1,450.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068500102/india-blocks-foreign-funding-for-mother-teresas-charity
“ Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has accused the Missionaries of Charity and other Christian groups of trying to force Hindus to convert. The charity has denied the government's accusations.
Earlier this month, police in the western state of Gujarat filed a legal case against a homeless shelter for girls run by the Missionaries of Charity. They accused the group of forcing Hindu girls to marry into Christian families.”
DP. The last two are from long after her death—she died in 1997.
I’m sure you can find many more testimonies from people, their friends and family who were helped, but I don’t have the time to waste on you today.
The point was: it's up to the people of India to determine if her "help" - and its legacy - has been welcome or not.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 11:12
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:The only important perspective here is that of the local population.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Conversion-was-Mother-Teresas-real-aim-RSS-chief-Mohan-Bhagwat-says/articleshow/46348555.cms
“ her selfish aim devalued the virtues of a noble cause. Mother Teresa’s work had ulterior motive, which was to convert the person. In the name of service, religious conversions were made.
“ he had witnessed forced conversion of tribal by Roman Catholics.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4331469/mother-teresa-bharat-ratna-missionaries-of-charity-trafficking/amp/
“Last week, Indian authorities said they busted a baby-trafficking racket in a shelter run by the Missionaries of Charity, the religious order set up by the late Albanian-Indian missionary in 1950.
Child welfare authorities said a nun and one other person linked to the charity were selling babies to childless couples for between $550 and $1,450.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068500102/india-blocks-foreign-funding-for-mother-teresas-charity
“ Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has accused the Missionaries of Charity and other Christian groups of trying to force Hindus to convert. The charity has denied the government's accusations.
Earlier this month, police in the western state of Gujarat filed a legal case against a homeless shelter for girls run by the Missionaries of Charity. They accused the group of forcing Hindu girls to marry into Christian families.”
DP. The last two are from long after her death—she died in 1997.
I’m sure you can find many more testimonies from people, their friends and family who were helped, but I don’t have the time to waste on you today.
Anonymous
10/29/2022 09:42
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
The only important perspective here is that of the local population.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Conversion-was-Mother-Teresas-real-aim-RSS-chief-Mohan-Bhagwat-says/articleshow/46348555.cms
“ her selfish aim devalued the virtues of a noble cause. Mother Teresa’s work had ulterior motive, which was to convert the person. In the name of service, religious conversions were made.
“ he had witnessed forced conversion of tribal by Roman Catholics.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4331469/mother-teresa-bharat-ratna-missionaries-of-charity-trafficking/amp/
“Last week, Indian authorities said they busted a baby-trafficking racket in a shelter run by the Missionaries of Charity, the religious order set up by the late Albanian-Indian missionary in 1950.
Child welfare authorities said a nun and one other person linked to the charity were selling babies to childless couples for between $550 and $1,450.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068500102/india-blocks-foreign-funding-for-mother-teresas-charity
“ Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has accused the Missionaries of Charity and other Christian groups of trying to force Hindus to convert. The charity has denied the government's accusations.
Earlier this month, police in the western state of Gujarat filed a legal case against a homeless shelter for girls run by the Missionaries of Charity. They accused the group of forcing Hindu girls to marry into Christian families.”
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Conversion-was-Mother-Teresas-real-aim-RSS-chief-Mohan-Bhagwat-says/articleshow/46348555.cms
“ her selfish aim devalued the virtues of a noble cause. Mother Teresa’s work had ulterior motive, which was to convert the person. In the name of service, religious conversions were made.
“ he had witnessed forced conversion of tribal by Roman Catholics.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/4331469/mother-teresa-bharat-ratna-missionaries-of-charity-trafficking/amp/
“Last week, Indian authorities said they busted a baby-trafficking racket in a shelter run by the Missionaries of Charity, the religious order set up by the late Albanian-Indian missionary in 1950.
Child welfare authorities said a nun and one other person linked to the charity were selling babies to childless couples for between $550 and $1,450.”
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/28/1068500102/india-blocks-foreign-funding-for-mother-teresas-charity
“ Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has accused the Missionaries of Charity and other Christian groups of trying to force Hindus to convert. The charity has denied the government's accusations.
Earlier this month, police in the western state of Gujarat filed a legal case against a homeless shelter for girls run by the Missionaries of Charity. They accused the group of forcing Hindu girls to marry into Christian families.”
Anonymous
10/29/2022 08:25
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
After Mother Teresa founded her religious congregation, it grew to have over 4,500 nuns and was active in 133 countries as of 2012.[6] The congregation manages homes for people who are dying of HIV/AIDS, leprosy, and tuberculosis. The congregation also runs soup kitchens, dispensaries, mobile clinics, children's and family counselling programmes, as well as orphanages and schools. Members take vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience and also profess a fourth vow: to give "wholehearted free service to the poorest of the poor."[7]
Mother Teresa wrote in her diary that her first year was fraught with difficulty. With no income, she begged for food and supplies and experienced doubt, loneliness and the temptation to return to the comfort of convent life during these early months:
Our Lord wants me to be a free nun covered with the poverty of the cross. Today, I learned a good lesson. The poverty of the poor must be so hard for them. While looking for a home I walked and walked till my arms and legs ached. I thought how much they must ache in body and soul, looking for a home, food and health. Then, the comfort of Loreto [her former congregation] came to tempt me. "You have only to say the word and all that will be yours again", the Tempter kept on saying. ... Of free choice, my God, and out of love for you, I desire to remain and do whatever be your Holy will in my regard. I did not let a single tear come.[42]
She opened a hospice for those with leprosy, calling it Shanti Nagar (City of Peace).[47] The Missionaries of Charity established leprosy-outreach clinics throughout Calcutta, providing medication, dressings and food.[48] The Missionaries of Charity took in an increasing number of homeless children; in 1955, Mother Teresa opened Nirmala Shishu Bhavan, the Children's Home of the Immaculate Heart, as a haven for orphans and homeless youth.[49]
By 1997, the 13-member Calcutta congregation had grown to more than 4,000 sisters who managed orphanages, AIDS hospices and charity centers worldwide, caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless and victims of floods, epidemics and famine.[54] By 2007, the Missionaries of Charity numbered about 450 brothers and 5,000 sisters worldwide, operating 600 missions, schools and shelters in 120 countries.[55]
At the height of the Siege of Beirut in 1982, Mother Teresa rescued 37 children trapped in a front-line hospital by brokering a temporary cease-fire between the Israeli army and Palestinian guerrillas.[58] Accompanied by Red Cross workers, she travelled through the war zone to the hospital to evacuate the young patients.[59]
When Eastern Europe experienced increased openness in the late 1980s, Mother Teresa expanded her efforts to Communist countries which had rejected the Missionaries of Charity. She began dozens of projects, undeterred by criticism of her stands against abortion and divorce: "No matter who says what, you should accept it with a smile and do your own work." She visited Armenia after the 1988 earthquake[60] and met with Soviet Premier Nikolai Ryzhkov.[61]
Mother Teresa travelled to assist the hungry in Ethiopia, radiation victims at Chernobyl and earthquake victims in Armenia.[62][63][64] In 1991 she returned to Albania for the first time, opening a Missionaries of Charity Brothers home in Tirana.[65]
By 1996, the Missionaries of Charity operated 517 missions in over 100 countries.[66] The number of sisters in the Missionaries of Charity grew from twelve to thousands, serving the "poorest of the poor" in 450 centres worldwide. The first Missionaries of Charity home in the United States was established in the South Bronx area of New York City, and by 1984 the congregation operated 19 establishments throughout the country.[67]
On 13 March 1997, Mother Teresa resigned as head of the Missionaries of Charity. She died on 5 September.[71][72] At the time of her death, the Missionaries of Charity had over 4,000 sisters and an associated brotherhood of 300 members operating 610 missions in 123 countries.[73] These included hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counselling programmes, orphanages and schools. The Missionaries of Charity were aided by co-workers numbering over one million by the 1990s.[74]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa
Navin B. Chawla points out that Mother Teresa never intended to build hospitals, but to provide a place where those who had been refused admittance "could at least die being comforted and with some dignity." He also counters critics of Mother Teresa by stating that her periodic hospitalizations were instigated by staff members against her wishes and he disputes the claim that she conducted surreptitious baptisms. "Those who are quick to criticise Mother Teresa and her mission, are unable or unwilling to do anything to help with their own hands."[43]
Sister Mary Prema Pierick, the current Superior General of the Missionaries of Charity, also stated that Mother Teresa's homes were never intended to be a substitute for hospitals, but rather "homes for those not accepted in the hospital... But if they need hospital care, then we have to take them to the hospital, and we do that." Sister Pierick also contested the claims that Mother Teresa deliberately cultivated suffering, and affirmed her order's goal was to alleviate suffering.[49]
Melanie McDonagh has noted that Mother Teresa is in large part "criticized for not being what she never set out to be, for not doing things which she never saw as her job. ... What she wasn't was a head of government. She didn't address the fundamental causes of poverty because she was addressing the symptoms and she did that well," nor were her sisters social workers. McDonagh commented, "She wasn't trying to do anything except treat people at the margins of society as if they were Christ himself."[50]
Mari Marcel Thekaekara points out that after the Bangladesh War, a few million refugees poured into Calcutta from the former East Pakistan. "No one had ever before done anything remotely like Mother Teresa's order, namely picking up destitute and dying people off the pavements and giving them a clean place to die in dignity."[51]
Three prominent palliative care professionals,[peacock prose] David Jeffrey, Joseph O'Neill and Gilly Burn, responded to Fox in the Lancet and argued that it was disingenuous to single out Mother Teresa's hospices for healthcare limitations that were common to most care facilities in India. They noted Indian healthcare generally suffered from: "1) lack of education of doctors and nurses, 2) few drugs, and 3) very strict state government legislation, which prohibits the use of strong analgesics even to patients dying of cancer". They concluded Mother Teresa's homes were being unfairly held to the standards of "western-style hospice care... not relevant to India".[52]
In 2012, William Doino Jr, wrote that "The remarkable thing about Hell’s Angel is that it purports to defend the poor against Mother Teresa’s supposed exploitation of them, while never actually interviewing any on screen. Not a single person cared for by the Missionaries speaks on camera. Was this because they had a far higher opinion of Blessed Teresa than Hitchens would permit in his film? Avoiding the people at the heart of Teresa’s ministry, Hitchens posed for the camera and let roll a series of ad hominem attacks and unsubstantiated accusations, as uninformed as they were cruel."[54]
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/1086646.page
I think that the passage that explains that those who do not do anything to help with the poor, suffering, dying, and destitute, with their own hands, yet criticize someone who did, is actually the crux of this issue.
If Hitchens was so hot to help, and knew the best way to do so…why didn’t he open his own facilities to help these people?
Mother Teresa wrote in her diary that her first year was fraught with difficulty. With no income, she begged for food and supplies and experienced doubt, loneliness and the temptation to return to the comfort of convent life during these early months:
Our Lord wants me to be a free nun covered with the poverty of the cross. Today, I learned a good lesson. The poverty of the poor must be so hard for them. While looking for a home I walked and walked till my arms and legs ached. I thought how much they must ache in body and soul, looking for a home, food and health. Then, the comfort of Loreto [her former congregation] came to tempt me. "You have only to say the word and all that will be yours again", the Tempter kept on saying. ... Of free choice, my God, and out of love for you, I desire to remain and do whatever be your Holy will in my regard. I did not let a single tear come.[42]
She opened a hospice for those with leprosy, calling it Shanti Nagar (City of Peace).[47] The Missionaries of Charity established leprosy-outreach clinics throughout Calcutta, providing medication, dressings and food.[48] The Missionaries of Charity took in an increasing number of homeless children; in 1955, Mother Teresa opened Nirmala Shishu Bhavan, the Children's Home of the Immaculate Heart, as a haven for orphans and homeless youth.[49]
By 1997, the 13-member Calcutta congregation had grown to more than 4,000 sisters who managed orphanages, AIDS hospices and charity centers worldwide, caring for refugees, the blind, disabled, aged, alcoholics, the poor and homeless and victims of floods, epidemics and famine.[54] By 2007, the Missionaries of Charity numbered about 450 brothers and 5,000 sisters worldwide, operating 600 missions, schools and shelters in 120 countries.[55]
At the height of the Siege of Beirut in 1982, Mother Teresa rescued 37 children trapped in a front-line hospital by brokering a temporary cease-fire between the Israeli army and Palestinian guerrillas.[58] Accompanied by Red Cross workers, she travelled through the war zone to the hospital to evacuate the young patients.[59]
When Eastern Europe experienced increased openness in the late 1980s, Mother Teresa expanded her efforts to Communist countries which had rejected the Missionaries of Charity. She began dozens of projects, undeterred by criticism of her stands against abortion and divorce: "No matter who says what, you should accept it with a smile and do your own work." She visited Armenia after the 1988 earthquake[60] and met with Soviet Premier Nikolai Ryzhkov.[61]
Mother Teresa travelled to assist the hungry in Ethiopia, radiation victims at Chernobyl and earthquake victims in Armenia.[62][63][64] In 1991 she returned to Albania for the first time, opening a Missionaries of Charity Brothers home in Tirana.[65]
By 1996, the Missionaries of Charity operated 517 missions in over 100 countries.[66] The number of sisters in the Missionaries of Charity grew from twelve to thousands, serving the "poorest of the poor" in 450 centres worldwide. The first Missionaries of Charity home in the United States was established in the South Bronx area of New York City, and by 1984 the congregation operated 19 establishments throughout the country.[67]
On 13 March 1997, Mother Teresa resigned as head of the Missionaries of Charity. She died on 5 September.[71][72] At the time of her death, the Missionaries of Charity had over 4,000 sisters and an associated brotherhood of 300 members operating 610 missions in 123 countries.[73] These included hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis, soup kitchens, children's and family counselling programmes, orphanages and schools. The Missionaries of Charity were aided by co-workers numbering over one million by the 1990s.[74]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa
Navin B. Chawla points out that Mother Teresa never intended to build hospitals, but to provide a place where those who had been refused admittance "could at least die being comforted and with some dignity." He also counters critics of Mother Teresa by stating that her periodic hospitalizations were instigated by staff members against her wishes and he disputes the claim that she conducted surreptitious baptisms. "Those who are quick to criticise Mother Teresa and her mission, are unable or unwilling to do anything to help with their own hands."[43]
Sister Mary Prema Pierick, the current Superior General of the Missionaries of Charity, also stated that Mother Teresa's homes were never intended to be a substitute for hospitals, but rather "homes for those not accepted in the hospital... But if they need hospital care, then we have to take them to the hospital, and we do that." Sister Pierick also contested the claims that Mother Teresa deliberately cultivated suffering, and affirmed her order's goal was to alleviate suffering.[49]
Melanie McDonagh has noted that Mother Teresa is in large part "criticized for not being what she never set out to be, for not doing things which she never saw as her job. ... What she wasn't was a head of government. She didn't address the fundamental causes of poverty because she was addressing the symptoms and she did that well," nor were her sisters social workers. McDonagh commented, "She wasn't trying to do anything except treat people at the margins of society as if they were Christ himself."[50]
Mari Marcel Thekaekara points out that after the Bangladesh War, a few million refugees poured into Calcutta from the former East Pakistan. "No one had ever before done anything remotely like Mother Teresa's order, namely picking up destitute and dying people off the pavements and giving them a clean place to die in dignity."[51]
Three prominent palliative care professionals,[peacock prose] David Jeffrey, Joseph O'Neill and Gilly Burn, responded to Fox in the Lancet and argued that it was disingenuous to single out Mother Teresa's hospices for healthcare limitations that were common to most care facilities in India. They noted Indian healthcare generally suffered from: "1) lack of education of doctors and nurses, 2) few drugs, and 3) very strict state government legislation, which prohibits the use of strong analgesics even to patients dying of cancer". They concluded Mother Teresa's homes were being unfairly held to the standards of "western-style hospice care... not relevant to India".[52]
In 2012, William Doino Jr, wrote that "The remarkable thing about Hell’s Angel is that it purports to defend the poor against Mother Teresa’s supposed exploitation of them, while never actually interviewing any on screen. Not a single person cared for by the Missionaries speaks on camera. Was this because they had a far higher opinion of Blessed Teresa than Hitchens would permit in his film? Avoiding the people at the heart of Teresa’s ministry, Hitchens posed for the camera and let roll a series of ad hominem attacks and unsubstantiated accusations, as uninformed as they were cruel."[54]
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/1086646.page
I think that the passage that explains that those who do not do anything to help with the poor, suffering, dying, and destitute, with their own hands, yet criticize someone who did, is actually the crux of this issue.
If Hitchens was so hot to help, and knew the best way to do so…why didn’t he open his own facilities to help these people?
Anonymous
10/27/2022 21:07
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Except she didn’t have the money or facilities to provide medical care. She was running a hospice on a limited budget. People who needed medical care should have gone to one of the other mission-based medical clinics you people are always complaining about.
Mother Theresa was wealthy
Most donations went to build monasteries in India
She didn’t care about the needy that much, they were a means to an end
She was running a hospice, that was her chosen form of service. Not a medical clinic. End of story. Missionaries run plenty of medical clinics in India and sick people could go to those.
This is silly.
You don’t put people in a hospice when they have a treatable condition. That’s not hospice. Hospice is end of life care for terminal conditions. Do you see why she, as a missionary, acted wrongly?
Hitchens had no footnotes or sources for his claims that she “put” curable people in hospice. Hitchens didn’t say how many, either—1/2 or dozens? He doesn’t give any examples of her refusing to treat people or refusing to refer them to medical clinics. Plus what does “curable” even mean in a country where the clinics (mission or secular) can’t afford the advanced treatments we have. Do you see the problem with his claim?
“A 1994 study by the UK-based The Lancet medical journal reported that even the most basic, life-saving drugs were not administered to salvageable patients who should have been admitted to a hospital rather than Mother Teresa’s famous home for the dying.
For a 2003 study, researchers at the University of Montreal and University of Ottawa examined nearly 300 documents belonging to the elderly nun.
The report noted “her rather dubious way of caring for the sick, questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mother-teresa-s-canonization-controversy-clouds-nun-s-work-n641181
She was a fraud. Letting people die is killing people and killing people in the name of Jesus is still murder, even if it goes unpunished on this plane, just as it was frequently murder at the Indian Schools here in the US and Canada.
Anonymous
10/27/2022 15:00
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Except she didn’t have the money or facilities to provide medical care. She was running a hospice on a limited budget. People who needed medical care should have gone to one of the other mission-based medical clinics you people are always complaining about.
Mother Theresa was wealthy
Most donations went to build monasteries in India
She didn’t care about the needy that much, they were a means to an end
She was running a hospice, that was her chosen form of service. Not a medical clinic. End of story. Missionaries run plenty of medical clinics in India and sick people could go to those.
This is silly.
You don’t put people in a hospice when they have a treatable condition. That’s not hospice. Hospice is end of life care for terminal conditions. Do you see why she, as a missionary, acted wrongly?
Hitchens had no footnotes or sources for his claims that she “put” curable people in hospice. Hitchens didn’t say how many, either—1/2 or dozens? He doesn’t give any examples of her refusing to treat people or refusing to refer them to medical clinics. Plus what does “curable” even mean in a country where the clinics (mission or secular) can’t afford the advanced treatments we have. Do you see the problem with his claim?
Anonymous
10/27/2022 12:26
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Except she didn’t have the money or facilities to provide medical care. She was running a hospice on a limited budget. People who needed medical care should have gone to one of the other mission-based medical clinics you people are always complaining about.
Mother Theresa was wealthy
Most donations went to build monasteries in India
She didn’t care about the needy that much, they were a means to an end
She was running a hospice, that was her chosen form of service. Not a medical clinic. End of story. Missionaries run plenty of medical clinics in India and sick people could go to those.
This is silly.
You don’t put people in a hospice when they have a treatable condition. That’s not hospice. Hospice is end of life care for terminal conditions. Do you see why she, as a missionary, acted wrongly?
Anonymous
10/25/2022 18:46
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Except she didn’t have the money or facilities to provide medical care. She was running a hospice on a limited budget. People who needed medical care should have gone to one of the other mission-based medical clinics you people are always complaining about.
Mother Theresa was wealthy
Most donations went to build monasteries in India
She didn’t care about the needy that much, they were a means to an end
She was running a hospice, that was her chosen form of service. Not a medical clinic. End of story. Missionaries run plenty of medical clinics in India and sick people could go to those.
This is silly.
Anonymous
10/25/2022 18:11
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Except she didn’t have the money or facilities to provide medical care. She was running a hospice on a limited budget. People who needed medical care should have gone to one of the other mission-based medical clinics you people are always complaining about.
Mother Theresa was wealthy
Most donations went to build monasteries in India
She didn’t care about the needy that much, they were a means to an end
Anonymous
10/25/2022 17:47
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Except she didn’t have the money or facilities to provide medical care. She was running a hospice on a limited budget. People who needed medical care should have gone to one of the other mission-based medical clinics you people are always complaining about.
Anonymous
10/25/2022 17:13
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
+1
I consider it murder for someone to deny medical care for curable conditions. Ushering people into the grave early when they are treatable is a grave sin.
Anonymous
10/25/2022 17:12
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
Hitchens didn’t document any of these claims in his book, as one of the links above points out. Also there were actual free clinics people could have gone to instead. She didn’t have a lot of money to run a real medical clinic, either.
Horse puckey. That woman got donations hand over fist. If she didn’t “have” money to run a real medical clinic, I’d like to know where the donations all went.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 18:40
Subject: Re:Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:what did mother Teresa doAnonymous wrote:Mother Teresa is the perfect example of missionaries who do significant harm against the people they claim to want to help.
Wow. Do you live under a rock?
NP and I also don’t know.
This isn’t loading well for me on my computer so I can’t be sure, but it was Christopher Hitchens who wrote a book (and this piece https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/10/the-fanatic-fraudulent-mother-teresa.html) about her. IIRC, the gist was that she kept people in a dire, poorly run clinic and never gave them the drugs that would have cured their conditions while she herself took off for modern medical care in the US.
And the pushback is that she was running a hospice, not a medical clinic, on a shoestring. Hospices don’t give out drugs besides the palliative type. When my mom was in hospice she only got palliative care.
And the response is that she cared for people with curable diseases who had no business being in a hospice
Hitchens didn’t document any of these claims in his book, as one of the links above points out. Also there were actual free clinics people could have gone to instead. She didn’t have a lot of money to run a real medical clinic, either.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 18:29
Subject: Indigenous Tribes Push Back Against Evangelical Missionaries
Vice News ended in 2019. Is this an old clip?