Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:33     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/


I wear a helmet and my kids wear helmets (so far). I also wonder how many of those injuries would be prevented if someone didn't drive into them.



100 percent of them would be avoided if parents didn't put their kids in harm's way.


Hi Nick (or Lance)!

https://twitter.com/MrWedekind/status/1461500633459085320



I know, right? Like it's bleeping obvious.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:33     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/


I wear a helmet and my kids wear helmets (so far). I also wonder how many of those injuries would be prevented if someone didn't drive into them.



100 percent of them would be avoided if parents didn't put their kids in harm's way.


Yes, I lock mine in a padded room in the basement.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:32     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/


I wear a helmet and my kids wear helmets (so far). I also wonder how many of those injuries would be prevented if someone didn't drive into them.



100 percent of them would be avoided if parents didn't put their kids in harm's way.


Hi Nick (or Lance)!

https://twitter.com/MrWedekind/status/1461500633459085320

Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:32     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/


I wear a helmet and my kids wear helmets (so far). I also wonder how many of those injuries would be prevented if someone didn't drive into them.



100 percent of them would be avoided if parents didn't put their kids in harm's way.


Do you also not let your kids swim or bathe? Think of the drowning risk!
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:25     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/


I wear a helmet and my kids wear helmets (so far). I also wonder how many of those injuries would be prevented if someone didn't drive into them.



100 percent of them would be avoided if parents didn't put their kids in harm's way.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:24     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/


I wear a helmet and my kids wear helmets (so far). I also wonder how many of those injuries would be prevented if someone didn't drive into them.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 16:19     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

The vast majority of bicycling injuries and deaths under the age of 20 could be prevented by wearing a helmet. Yet I routinely see children on bikes or, even worse, ebikes with no helmets.

"An average of 247 traumatic brain injury deaths and 140,000 head injuries among children and adolescents younger than 20 years were related to bicycle crashes each year in the United States. As many as 184 deaths and 116,000 head injuries might have been prevented annually if these riders had worn helmets. An additional 19,000 mouth and chin injuries were treated each year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 15:33     Subject: Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:Each year about 100 children die from bike related incidents.
Each year over 1000 children die in car accidents, and that's even with all the safety improvements over the last several decades.


https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=accident-statistics-90-P02853

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813122#:~:text=As%20shown%20in%20Figure%202,2010%20to%201.74%20in%202019.



You know as well as I do that this statistic is meaningless unless you look at how many car rides vs bike rides children take.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 14:55     Subject: Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Are you sure there are actually drivers in the cars? I always read about "car crashes into" this or that, and assumed it was autonomous vehicles that decided to crash into things. Blame Elon Musk?

/s
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 14:43     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I hear about kids on bikes being in accidents, I always think: What is wrong with their parents? It's their job to protect them, not put them in situations where bad things can happen.


And yet, nothing about the drivers who hit that. Quite a tell.


+100000000000000
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 14:39     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:When I hear about kids on bikes being in accidents, I always think: What is wrong with their parents? It's their job to protect them, not put them in situations where bad things can happen.


And yet, nothing about the drivers who hit that. Quite a tell.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 14:37     Subject: Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a child is in a car, they have be strapped into a car seat that meets federal safety standards or they have to be seat belted in.

But if that child is on a bike, on the very same road, then no safety rules apply at all? How can this be?


Cars go 60-70mph. Bikes don't, especially people biking with kids.

It would be great to have a real conversation about safety standards but that's going to happen with people who actually care about kids and are looking at data. Not whiny drivers who just don't want bicyclists in their way.



The speed of the bike is irrelevant. The issue is what happens when a 4,000 pound car hits a bike with a child on it who has essentially nothing protecting them.


Which is why we need better bike infrastructure, including protected bike lanes.



That seems like a poor use of resources, since so few people ride bikes. If you want to save the environment or at least feel like you're kinda, sorta doing something to save the environment, take the bus or subway.


It is a circular argument. Not as many people bike because it is unsafe. Make it safe and more people will do it.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 14:26     Subject: Re:Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:When I hear about kids on bikes being in accidents, I always think: What is wrong with their parents? It's their job to protect them, not put them in situations where bad things can happen.


If I require them to wear a helmet, they will likely stop going anywhere on a bike, and will instead play video games. Maximum safety is not my priority.
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 14:22     Subject: Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:Each year about 100 children die from bike related incidents.
Each year over 1000 children die in car accidents, and that's even with all the safety improvements over the last several decades.


https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=accident-statistics-90-P02853

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813122#:~:text=As%20shown%20in%20Figure%202,2010%20to%201.74%20in%202019.


I dunno. This seems really bad to me.
Bicycling leads to the highest number of sport and recreation–related emergency department (ED) visits for traumatic brain injuries (TBIs) in the United States (1). Because bicycling continues to grow in popularity,* primarily among U.S. adults, examining the strategies that mitigate the risk for TBI is important. CDC analyzed data from the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program (NEISS-AIP) to determine the incidence of EDs for bicycle-related TBIs during 2009–2018. An estimated 596,972 ED visits for bicycle-related TBIs occurred in the United States during the study period. Rates of ED visits were highest among adult males (aged ≥18 years) and among children and adolescents aged 10–14 years during 2009–2018.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8909479/
Anonymous
Post 10/05/2022 13:53     Subject: Why are there no safety rules regarding children on bikes?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:1) they are required: "The law mandates that riders under 16 are required to wear a helmet while cycling in the District of Columbia."

2) a bigger concern is the DC drivers who are speeding and don't even know how to properly come to a full stop at a stop sign. So sick of people in giant SUVs stopping in the middle of the crosswalk like they apparently never went to driving school or stopped caring or both.

Before anyone accuses me of being a bicyclist activist, I do not bike, but I do have kids (who wear helmets).

DC does pretty much no traffic enforcement. We have speed and red light cameras but there's barely any repercussion if you even get tickets and don't pay them. There was an increase in booting recently (good) but it was barely anything for awhile. 2 people for the whole city with millions of dollars in unpaid tickets.

It's basically a free for all for people to drive like complete jerks. Really, you want to start a thread about kids wearing helmets?



The streets here aren't nearly as dangerous as all the hyperventilating here suggests, but if they were, it would beg the obvious question: What are earth as people doing taking children into all of that? And why aren't there more rules protecting those kids from their parents' poor choices?


If you listen to people in DC communities, they want safer streets. You personally may not care, but you're in the minority on that. I care, my neighbors care, and we will continue to vote accordingly and hope our representatives and the DC council heed the numerous concerns of their constituents. Generally speaking, DC residents favor traffic safety improvements rather than the freeforall "it's fine, do nothing, ever" attitude you espouse.


Free for all? Do you even live here? Traffic accidents are extremely rare in Washington D.C. It's hard to speed because the congestion is terrible and traffic cameras are everywhere and the police are omnipresent. We have the biggest police force in the United States. If that's not enough, the blocks here are short, which means there are stop signs or traffic lights every five feet, with plenty of speed bumps in between.


You must live in a different Washington DC than I do. Maybe even an alternate dimension? Or, you just don't view 10-15mph above the speed limit as speeding, or rolling a stop sign, stopping in the crosswalk instead of behind the bar, buzzing pedestrians in the crosswalk... etc as problems.


Honesty, I've posted this before, but all these "it's the parents and kids and pedestrian, not the car" people are just rich *holes who live in expensive real estate in NW where the rate of traffic accidents is the lowest in the city ANYWAYS WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE BETTER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS and are used to getting their way. Any obstacle, including a little speed bump, is difficult for their "I get what I want for my entire life" egos. They're just ridiculous.


Oh, like this: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-4-year-olds-mom-pleads-safety-changes-after-son-hit-and-killed-by-car/65-1d036b36-2f32-4791-8b13-e28f1474bb4b

Like the kids hit on Southern Ave?

You really should think about who you are as a person. It's not good right now.


Yes, I'm saying the victim blamers who say "it's the pedestrian or the biker" and "where are their parents" don't want road safety improvements are jerks. I'm not the one blaming the pedestrians, it's some other person on this thread. I'd like safety improvements, raised crosswalks, more speed bumps, more cameras, and more enforcement. I think the people who argue against these improvements are entitled jerks and often enough, they seem to live in the affluent parts of the city that already have better road improvements.


Seriously, you seem like an obsessive creep. Maybe worth talking to a mental health professional.


How are they an obsessive creep for wanting fewer people killed and injured? You sound like a troll.


$20 bucks says it's ND.