Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:51
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:FCPS does 90 minute blocks as well. It is way too long and kids can’t concentrate that long.
+1 my kids really struggled with that model. We switched to a private school with shorter periods, and they actually get much more done in half the time.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:49
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.
Yes, exactly. Pre-algebra is only one year. If you stretched out Math 6, 7, 8 over three years, it would be remedial and very slow. That's why it's not the same as saying "three years worth of math in one year." Normal course is algebra in 8th.
NP The base case in APS is Algebra 1 in 9th grade. Taking it in 7th or 8th grade is considered accelerated. For kids getting ready to take Algebra 1 in 7th grade, they take Pre-Algebra in 6th, which covers content from 6th, 7th, and 8th grade (standard 8th grade math, not Algebra). At the end of the course, they take the Math 8 SOL to see if they have sufficient mastery to go on Algebra 1 in 7th grade. It is technically three years of content they're covering, but there is overlap between 7th and 8th grade math. Kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade cover two years of content in Pre-Algebra in 7th grade (7th and 8th grade content), but again, there is overlap between those two years.
How many APS kids take Algebra 1 in 9th grade? I thought the vast majority take it in 8th, with a few taking it in 7th?
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:41
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.
Yes, exactly. Pre-algebra is only one year. If you stretched out Math 6, 7, 8 over three years, it would be remedial and very slow. That's why it's not the same as saying "three years worth of math in one year." Normal course is algebra in 8th.
NP The base case in APS is Algebra 1 in 9th grade. Taking it in 7th or 8th grade is considered accelerated. For kids getting ready to take Algebra 1 in 7th grade, they take Pre-Algebra in 6th, which covers content from 6th, 7th, and 8th grade (standard 8th grade math, not Algebra). At the end of the course, they take the Math 8 SOL to see if they have sufficient mastery to go on Algebra 1 in 7th grade. It is technically three years of content they're covering, but there is overlap between 7th and 8th grade math. Kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade cover two years of content in Pre-Algebra in 7th grade (7th and 8th grade content), but again, there is overlap between those two years.
This is correct in a technical sense, but not in a practical sense. But pp’s point stands either way that if OP’s kid can’t keep up with pre-algebra for 6th graders, they are better off moving down to Math 6 where they can get the foundational knowledge reinforced rather than bombing pre-algebra. Doing well in math 6 and bombing pre-algebra will both lead to the same place next year (pre-algebra for 7th graders), but one path will prepare them much better for it.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:33
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.
Yes, exactly. Pre-algebra is only one year. If you stretched out Math 6, 7, 8 over three years, it would be remedial and very slow. That's why it's not the same as saying "three years worth of math in one year." Normal course is algebra in 8th.
NP The base case in APS is Algebra 1 in 9th grade. Taking it in 7th or 8th grade is considered accelerated. For kids getting ready to take Algebra 1 in 7th grade, they take Pre-Algebra in 6th, which covers content from 6th, 7th, and 8th grade (standard 8th grade math, not Algebra). At the end of the course, they take the Math 8 SOL to see if they have sufficient mastery to go on Algebra 1 in 7th grade. It is technically three years of content they're covering, but there is overlap between 7th and 8th grade math. Kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade cover two years of content in Pre-Algebra in 7th grade (7th and 8th grade content), but again, there is overlap between those two years.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:08
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
The SOL standards are also incredibly low.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:07
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.
Yes, exactly. Pre-algebra is only one year. If you stretched out Math 6, 7, 8 over three years, it would be remedial and very slow. That's why it's not the same as saying "three years worth of math in one year." Normal course is algebra in 8th.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:49
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.
But either way, hundreds of students have managed to complete this course successfully with block scheduling in the past. If your children is struggling excessively, maybe they should move down to Math 6.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:48
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
You got bad information. Most APS 8th graders take algebra or geometry in 8th grade. Only those who are effectively on a remedial math track take pre-algebra in 8th grade.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:47
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
I was told the pre-algebra kids do.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:44
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is high school block schedule too?
Of course! It's been that way in this area forever.
APS high schools implemented it relatively recently. It’s the trend in public education and current education theory regarding best practices.
It's been that way for at least eight years since my son who is on college had the block schedule all through W-L. I like it.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:42
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
DP. You have some bad information. They do not take the 8th grade SOL at the end of 6th grade.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:21
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
How is it not three years of math in one? These kids were all in fifth grade math the year before, at the end of the year they take the 8th grade SOL. That means they have to cover material from.6, 7 and 8th.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:15
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids APS middle school does it and I hate it. It seems especially bad for the 6th grade pre algebra class. It's hard to learn three years of math in one year when your class only meets 2-3 times a week.
Why would the sixth grade prealgebra class need to teach three years of math?
Yeah I don't understand this either.
It used to be called Math 6-7-8.
It's one year of pre-algrebra. They are not trying to cram three years of material into one year.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:05
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.
So study hall for half the time.
No. That’s called classwork.
You’re starting to sound one of those APE teacher-hating trolls.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 08:00
Subject: APS Block Schedule - 90 minute core classes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m a HS teacher and have never taught anything but block. We don’t lecture the entire 88 minutes. In my class it looks like this: warm up activity/attendance question, independent reading, maybe a journal prompt, mini lesson and group practice, independent practice. Or, warm up/read/journal prompt, “workshop” time where some kids are drafting, some are revising, some are in a small group with me while I reteach something.
So study hall for half the time.
Um, no. Independent reading is important for building reading endurance, vocabulary, comprehension. It has measured and proven benefits. Journaling does as well, when students are writing to a prompt they are practicing the writing muscle and developing ideas they’ll later use in their formal written pieces. Independent practice = the graded work on whatever skill we are currently working on. Maybe if you guys knew what words meant and what teaching looks like you wouldn’t be losing your minds over 88 minute classes.
What are you doing while kids do independent work?
OMG can we please stop second-guessing and armchair quarterbacking teachers? Go look at that thread on FCPS teachers who are all miserable and want to quit!
This teacher probably has a million other things to do while kids are reading, including perhaps grading papers or planning the next lesson! Why is there so much complaining. Do we want our kids to have subs all year?