Anonymous
09/05/2022 21:00
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Kids are laughing their asses off that they are allowed to turn in work whenever they want as long as it is before the end of the grading period. It won't be so funny when they fail their college classes because schools have trained them that learning is the most important thing, no matter when it happens.
This comment makes no sense. There are still consequences to turning work in late, even if it’s not getting a zero. If you end up with a C in a class instead of an A because it’s all late, it’s not so funny.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:58
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Kids are laughing their asses off that they are allowed to turn in work whenever they want as long as it is before the end of the grading period. It won't be so funny when they fail their college classes because schools have trained them that learning is the most important thing, no matter when it happens.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:55
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
That is an important lesson. It was thrown to the wayside in Spring 2020. It’s been a struggle to get it back. Erring on the side of the student should mean giving them an opportunity to turn in the work, not a one shot deal.
—MCPS middle school teacher.
It’s a bit surprising that an MCPS teacher doesn’t know this policy long pre-dates the pandemic.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:52
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
Well aren’t you special. 🙄
I didn't think I was. I've attended private school in the US, and public school in Canada, and a T10 college. And I've taught charter school, and had kids in private. Due dates and deadlines were how it worked in all those places, although those weren't always the words used. So learning that it wasn't a thing in regular public schools until recently is a little shocking. I had no idea that public schools didn't always do this. But apparently, being prepared for college in this way makes me "special".
It’s pretty sad that someone who supposedly works in education knows so little about how kids learn. I guess if they don’t learn the way you do, they don’t matter, right?
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:50
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
Well aren’t you special. 🙄
I didn't think I was. I've attended private school in the US, and public school in Canada, and a T10 college. And I've taught charter school, and had kids in private. Due dates and deadlines were how it worked in all those places, although those weren't always the words used. So learning that it wasn't a thing in regular public schools until recently is a little shocking. I had no idea that public schools didn't always do this. But apparently, being prepared for college in this way makes me "special".
I guess Sidwell didn’t teach you about sarcasm. 😂
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:47
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
Well aren’t you special. 🙄
I didn't think I was. I've attended private school in the US, and public school in Canada, and a T10 college. And I've taught charter school, and had kids in private. Due dates and deadlines were how it worked in all those places, although those weren't always the words used. So learning that it wasn't a thing in regular public schools until recently is a little shocking. I had no idea that public schools didn't always do this. But apparently, being prepared for college in this way makes me "special".
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:41
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
Well aren’t you special. 🙄
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:37
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
That is an important lesson. It was thrown to the wayside in Spring 2020. It’s been a struggle to get it back. Erring on the side of the student should mean giving them an opportunity to turn in the work, not a one shot deal.
—MCPS middle school teacher.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:27
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
I guess because I went to private school (Sidwell) we had due dates and deadlines 30 years ago. We learned that work didn't disappear because we slacked.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:23
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If we accept the premise that doing the assignments is part of the learning process, and that learning improves when students do the assignments, the value to this is obvious. In a system where not turning something in be the original due date means you get a zero no matter what, there is no incentive for a student who misses the original due date to ever do the assignment because they get a zero either way, and that student then misses the educational value of the assignment. Allowing partial credit for work turned in after the due date but before the deadline means a student who misses the due date for whatever reason still has an incentive to completely the assignment, and thus to get the educational value of the assignment. If the goal is education, why wouldn’t we want a system that incentivizes learning?
Because the student could also be completing the assignment AND meeting the deadline/due date, whatever you call it.
But what happens when they miss it? Sometimes that happens, especially if a student is struggling with an assignment and don’t get it done in time, or simply get the due dates confused. This will happen at times, and it’s not in the student’s best interest to discourage them from making up the work.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:21
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
This system is teaching middle schoolers that responsibility. They are learning there are consequences to missing deadlines without destroying their transcripts or encouraging them to just give up when they are not even teenagers yet.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:16
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
Yes, but this is a lesson that most of us learned once in middle school and then we moved on. You are infantilizing teenagers.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:14
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:If we accept the premise that doing the assignments is part of the learning process, and that learning improves when students do the assignments, the value to this is obvious. In a system where not turning something in be the original due date means you get a zero no matter what, there is no incentive for a student who misses the original due date to ever do the assignment because they get a zero either way, and that student then misses the educational value of the assignment. Allowing partial credit for work turned in after the due date but before the deadline means a student who misses the due date for whatever reason still has an incentive to completely the assignment, and thus to get the educational value of the assignment. If the goal is education, why wouldn’t we want a system that incentivizes learning?
Because the student could also be completing the assignment AND meeting the deadline/due date, whatever you call it.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 17:16
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
We were discussing college students above. I think 11th and 12th graders should also be held to higher standards to prepare them for college.
The standard that things can be turned in late for partial credit, which is what the deadline vs due date policy is, is exactly what they'll find in college.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 17:05
Subject: Re:“Due dates” and “deadlines”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We are talking about adults who will be out in the work world very soon. I'd give one day's grace period but after that, you get nada. As far as what the student learned, they learned a very valuable lesson. Turn is stuff on time.
12 yo middle schoolers are not adults about to be out in the work force.
We were discussing college students above. I think 11th and 12th graders should also be held to higher standards to prepare them for college.
Agree. And already there’s a huge transition from high school to college because most college classes have very few assignments (so a single screw up can wreck your grade). In high school the learning opportunity is often the next assignment.