Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

Duh. You’re not getting that for a starting salary of $53k in the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:Expanding the supply of teachers seems like a good idea. Let’s have more teachers assessed based on their performance in the classroom, and not on their taking education classes in college.

I guess it bothers people who see restricting supply as a means to increase wages and bonuses, or have convinced themselves teaching is a profession similar to law or medicine warranting strict licensing requirements. Most would probably draw a distinction between what should be required to teach social studies and what should be required to perform surgeries.

Let’s do the same for doctors and pilots. Why are certifications needed for any profession.

Yet doctors still make mistakes and pilots still crash planes. It's obvious we need even stronger, more stringent, regulation in these fields. Until we eliminate medical errors and planes crashes, we must regulate harder. Remember, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

Anonymous wrote:Expanding the supply of teachers seems like a good idea. Let’s have more teachers assessed based on their performance in the classroom, and not on their taking education classes in college.

I guess it bothers people who see restricting supply as a means to increase wages and bonuses, or have convinced themselves teaching is a profession similar to law or medicine warranting strict licensing requirements. Most would probably draw a distinction between what should be required to teach social studies and what should be required to perform surgeries.

Restricting supply as means to increase wages and bonuses? You have a supply problem because of the pay. For my own children, I prefer someone that took the classes. There have to be some standards.

Anonymous wrote:Teaching isn’t rocket science so reducing the barriers to entry when it’s just one among many areas with a labor shortage currently makes sense. Also good if if additional supply somewhat quiets the obnoxious teachers’ groups who have had way too much influence on local politics and decision-making.

This is the big misconception. Teaching well actually is quite hard. It’s NOT that easy. Is it easy to assign things to read and random assignments? Yes. That isn’t teaching. Let me put you in a classroom with 28 kids. Six of them need EL support so you need to modify their readings and assignments. 8 have IEPs so you need to provide their accommodations and support and monitor them constantly for data tracking. Three have behavioral needs so you must monitor them constantly to avoid meltdowns or outbursts and sometimes they still happen. Two of them are advanced so you need to provide additional tasks that challenge them and keep them learning. The remaining can do the assignment as created with some help. This is for ONE lesson. ALL their needs have to be met. No, it’s not rocket science, but it isn’t easy to do that well either.

Anonymous wrote:Expanding the supply of teachers seems like a good idea. Let’s have more teachers assessed based on their performance in the classroom, and not on their taking education classes in college.

I guess it bothers people who see restricting supply as a means to increase wages and bonuses, or have convinced themselves teaching is a profession similar to law or medicine warranting strict licensing requirements. Most would probably draw a distinction between what should be required to teach social studies and what should be required to perform surgeries.

Let’s do the same for doctors and pilots. Why are certifications needed for any profession.

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin didn’t drive away teachers. None of us care about the tip like. The ones I know left because of unrealistic demands from admin and central office staff which led them to not have enough time to do their jobs. Others left because they were sick of dealing with unruly parents or they didn’t like working with kids.

I’m a teacher and get frustrated by new initiatives put in every year that make my job harder and don’t benefit students. I voted for Youngkin.

I’m a teacher who also voted for him, and I DO care about the tip line. That is not what I voted for him to do. By the way- he hasn’t done any of that.

And I also want to say- all these folks that want to throw teaching licenses around don’t get it. It won’t work. This is about money. So many people can work from home now, and make the same or better, don’t have to pack lunch, don’t have to commute, don’t have to pay for gas, don’t have to pay for after school care (my Extended Day fees were $429 for one kid this past month). They’re not working every night and weekend for ten months. They can go to the bathroom, get coffee, or take leave for a doctor’s appointment without it being a huge ordeal. The kids are great, the summer off is nice, but financially, it’s not making up for it. Pay teachers fairly, and maybe people will want to do it.

Anonymous wrote:Homeschool parents teach their own kids better than most public school teachers these days because they only have 1 or 2 of them and don't have overwhelming administrators, procedures and policy they must adhere to

Fixed that for you

Nice false equivalency btw LMAO

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that it’s not just about content knowledge (although most of these “teaching is so easy!” people aren’t as knowledgeable as they think they are, they’re just arrogant), but about being able to impart that content onto an audience of mixed ability to comprehend said material, nevermind the mixed willingness to be there in the first place. They think just because the Associate Southeast Regional Supervisor for Inside Sales praised them for a presentation they did 6 years ago that they can handle a classroom, when in reality they’d be in tears the first time they missed their lunch break because a fire drill ran long, they had to hold their pee for 7 hours, or the kids started roasting their shoes.

Haha. So true.

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin didn’t drive away teachers. None of us care about the tip like. The ones I know left because of unrealistic demands from admin and central office staff which led them to not have enough time to do their jobs. Others left because they were sick of dealing with unruly parents or they didn’t like working with kids.

I’m a teacher and get frustrated by new initiatives put in every year that make my job harder and don’t benefit students. I voted for Youngkin.

What are your thoughts on CRT?

Anonymous wrote:Homeschool parents teach better than most public school teachers these days.

Teach what exactly? Creationism? How to obey a man?

Homeschool parents teach better than most public school teachers these days.

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

Many, many teachers have a degree outside of education and then got licensed through graduate work. Almost all 7-12 teachers and, in my experienced, better than half of all ES teachers.

Teaching isn’t rocket science so reducing the barriers to entry when it’s just one among many areas with a labor shortage currently makes sense. Also good if if additional supply somewhat quiets the obnoxious teachers’ groups who have had way too much influence on local politics and decision-making.

The problem is that it’s not just about content knowledge (although most of these “teaching is so easy!” people aren’t as knowledgeable as they think they are, they’re just arrogant), but about being able to impart that content onto an audience of mixed ability to comprehend said material, nevermind the mixed willingness to be there in the first place. They think just because the Associate Southeast Regional Supervisor for Inside Sales praised them for a presentation they did 6 years ago that they can handle a classroom, when in reality they’d be in tears the first time they missed their lunch break because a fire drill ran long, they had to hold their pee for 7 hours, or the kids started roasting their shoes.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

About 75% of the “career switchers” I’ve worked with have crashed and burned quickly because their BA in Marketing and “real world experience” didn’t remotely prepare them for teaching.

Intellectually rigorous indeed.

In my experience, they were the ones that did okay. They knew how to work with people from their real world experience. The career switchers from STEM fields who didn’t have a clue how to teach the concepts to the kids while also trying to have some sort of class control were the ones that left quickly.