Anonymous wrote:What a stupid thread. Some people with brown hair have been bad people therefore everyone with brown hair is responsible for those bad acts?

If you can’t distinguish between bad acts of people abd bad acts of institutions what is the point of the thread?

The thread points out the hypocrisy of the daily Catholic and Christianity bashing that goes on here.

Not reading all the comments but it’s worse when an acceptance of the abuse and a refusal to report abuse is tied to God—to your membership in the only community you have ever known, to going to heaven (and for Mormons that means being with your family after you die), and sometimes keeping your job (if you work for the church or BYU).

I was never in a situation involving but I did some messed up things to myself and others because I was brainwashed into thinking I had to. Like I believed that my depression was my fault and instead of getting out of bad situations I felt like a terrible person, things like that. It’s the same concept with abuse, your gut might tell you to report but you have handed over your idea of right and wrong to the institution, so you just do what the institution tells you to do.

What a stupid thread. Some people with brown hair have been bad people therefore everyone with brown hair is responsible for those bad acts?

If you can’t distinguish between bad acts of people abd bad acts of institutions what is the point of the thread?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is the ultimate in what about ism. As an atheist, I give these organizations none of my money. I offer no support or involvement to any group the supports or shelters sex abusers. However, that doesn’t make me any less an atheist. When a Catholic, Southern Baptist, Mormon, etc. similarly ceases offering support organizations that shelter sex abusers, then we can talk about this.

You can’t hide behind the fact that you’re not part of an atheist organization. Geez.

I’m not that PP but you seem to have impaired logical thinking abilities. Unfortunate.

Ad hominems when you have no good answer. Cute.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying religious people are better?

Nobody said that. This puts a fine point on the hypocrisy of atheists’ daily slams against Catholics, though.

There are many bad people - some atheists and some religious. Beingg atheists or religious is not the cause of why some are bad. Have we not seen enough of bad on both sides? I don't know why you are picking fight with atheists. That's not very Christian-like.

Providing data is leveling the playing field after years of daily vitriol against Catholics and other believers. Providing data is not “picking a fight” in any sense.

Come on PP. It's called "cherry picking". Be better.

So you’re discounting sexual misconduct by misleading atheists. Got it.

Don't think you Got it, but you sure are trying hard to make atheists look like sexual predators. Any group has a hard time catching up to religions when it comes to sexual predation.

You atheists have a pretty high batting average. Including Dawkins and the guy who started the Man-boy love group. Why do you keep pretending to be holier-than-thou?

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You can’t do basic math, I see. Somehow that doesn’t surprise me.

For an atheist who thinks she’s grounded in facts, you surprise us. There are, what, less than a dozen national atheist groups. And two of these have knowingly employed a sexual abuser. Stepping on over to the handful of leading proponents of atheism, one of them started a man-boy love group, Harris defended the atheist physicist accused of sexual abuse, and Dawkins supports “mild” pedophilia.

Try again with the math.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is the ultimate in what about ism. As an atheist, I give these organizations none of my money. I offer no support or involvement to any group the supports or shelters sex abusers. However, that doesn’t make me any less an atheist. When a Catholic, Southern Baptist, Mormon, etc. similarly ceases offering support organizations that shelter sex abusers, then we can talk about this.

You can’t hide behind the fact that you’re not part of an atheist organization. Geez.

I’m not that PP but you seem to have impaired logical thinking abilities. Unfortunate.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is the ultimate in what about ism. As an atheist, I give these organizations none of my money. I offer no support or involvement to any group the supports or shelters sex abusers. However, that doesn’t make me any less an atheist. When a Catholic, Southern Baptist, Mormon, etc. similarly ceases offering support organizations that shelter sex abusers, then we can talk about this.

You can’t hide behind the fact that you’re not part of an atheist organization. Geez.

Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

This thread is the ultimate in what about ism. As an atheist, I give these organizations none of my money. I offer no support or involvement to any group the supports or shelters sex abusers. However, that doesn’t make me any less an atheist. When a Catholic, Southern Baptist, Mormon, etc. similarly ceases offering support organizations that shelter sex abusers, then we can talk about this.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying religious people are better?

Nobody said that. This puts a fine point on the hypocrisy of atheists’ daily slams against Catholics, though.

There are many bad people - some atheists and some religious. Beingg atheists or religious is not the cause of why some are bad. Have we not seen enough of bad on both sides? I don't know why you are picking fight with atheists. That's not very Christian-like.

Providing data is leveling the playing field after years of daily vitriol against Catholics and other believers. Providing data is not “picking a fight” in any sense.

Come on PP. It's called "cherry picking". Be better.

So you’re discounting sexual misconduct by misleading atheists. Got it.

Don't think you Got it, but you sure are trying hard to make atheists look like sexual predators. Any group has a hard time catching up to religions when it comes to sexual predation.

You atheists have a pretty high batting average. Including Dawkins and the guy who started the Man-boy love group. Why do you keep pretending to be holier-than-thou?

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You can’t do basic math, I see. Somehow that doesn’t surprise me.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost comical to argue there is such a thing as institutional atheism. Whereas the entire Catholic and LDS churches are built on being institutions. What people object to is when the institutions cover up sex abuse, and that argument is barely if at all applicable to atheists because while you may have found a couple of associations representing a couple thousand atheists they simply do not cover the vast majority of atheists

Also, the atheist organizations that do exist don't hold the same sway over members as churches do. There's no fear of eternal damnation to keep people in line.

Does that mean once you find out there is no god, you will turn into a sexually misconducting atheist? Is fear what's keeping you straight? I hope not.

This may be what happens to some religious leaders when they stop believing in god themselves. They realize there will be no eternal punishment, so they use their earthly power for evil purposes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying religious people are better?

Nobody said that. This puts a fine point on the hypocrisy of atheists’ daily slams against Catholics, though.

There are many bad people - some atheists and some religious. Beingg atheists or religious is not the cause of why some are bad. Have we not seen enough of bad on both sides? I don't know why you are picking fight with atheists. That's not very Christian-like.

Providing data is leveling the playing field after years of daily vitriol against Catholics and other believers. Providing data is not “picking a fight” in any sense.

Come on PP. It's called "cherry picking". Be better.

So you’re discounting sexual misconduct by misleading atheists. Got it.

Don't think you Got it, but you sure are trying hard to make atheists look like sexual predators. Any group has a hard time catching up to religions when it comes to sexual predation.

You atheists have a pretty high batting average. Including Dawkins and the guy who started the Man-boy love group. Why do you keep pretending to be holier-than-thou?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost comical to argue there is such a thing as institutional atheism. Whereas the entire Catholic and LDS churches are built on being institutions. What people object to is when the institutions cover up sex abuse, and that argument is barely if at all applicable to atheists because while you may have found a couple of associations representing a couple thousand atheists they simply do not cover the vast majority of atheists

The sexual misconduct cases involve leading atheists. People, including Dawkins who supports “mild pedophelia” (see earlier in the thread), who make a living speaking for all atheists. Don’t try to twist this into something it’s not.

Dawkins is an evolutionary Biologist who made a living as a professor.

No one speaks for all atheists. We don't have a creed or a set of beliefs. We don't believe in god -- that's what atheists have in common.

NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.