Anonymous
08/24/2022 11:37
Subject: Re:Homeless encampments
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Anonymous wrote:
We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
My brother in law would be homeless if my husband and I did not make sure that he says in his condo. He can't even be bothered to put his trash in plastic bags and dump it down the chute. this is a decent building and we have constant complaints about roaches coming form his condo into others. The condo lawyer works with us to with a threat of forcing him from the building so that the staff can go in once a month to spray for roaches. On Monday, we will have the annual cleaning of his studio condo by a company that actually cleans up crimes scenes. The cost is typically $1,000 to $1,200 because the place is so filthy. He can't be bothered to clean. He is a self medicating alcoholic who has refused FREE rehabilitation paid for by Fairfax County on numerous occasions.
Do tell me how he is going to be trained to do anything. Although the thought of him being off our daily problem list would be wonderful.
This. Plus, most of the tent encampment residents are mentally ill.
Anonymous
08/24/2022 08:51
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.
My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.
Please don't confuse most migrants with the homeless. We need people able and willing to work. The homeless are neither.
Migrants of nearly all types are positively selected in some way; if it were legal, most corporations would only hire migrants.
The homeless on DC's streets are mostly negatively selected in all ways. Mental illness onwards. And then society has mostly forgotten about them, but are occasionally strung along by handouts
So a 16 year old migrant could do your job? Or are you one of the ignorant who think “corporations,” as opposed to the military, government, consultancies, law firms, and service organizations that dominate the DMV employment base do not hire migrants?
Anonymous
08/23/2022 22:29
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.
My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.
Please don't confuse most migrants with the homeless. We need people able and willing to work. The homeless are neither.
Migrants of nearly all types are positively selected in some way; if it were legal, most corporations would only hire migrants.
The homeless on DC's streets are mostly negatively selected in all ways. Mental illness onwards. And then society has mostly forgotten about them, but are occasionally strung along by handouts
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:59
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
My brother in law would be homeless if my husband and I did not make sure that he says in his condo. He can't even be bothered to put his trash in plastic bags and dump it down the chute. this is a decent building and we have constant complaints about roaches coming form his condo into others. The condo lawyer works with us to with a threat of forcing him from the building so that the staff can go in once a month to spray for roaches. On Monday, we will have the annual cleaning of his studio condo by a company that actually cleans up crimes scenes. The cost is typically $1,000 to $1,200 because the place is so filthy. He can't be bothered to clean. He is a self medicating alcoholic who has refused FREE rehabilitation paid for by Fairfax County on numerous occasions.
Do tell me how he is going to be trained to do anything. Although the thought of him being off our daily problem list would be wonderful.
I am sorry you are dealing with it. You have a heart of gold to be helping out your relative. I can understand how people get generally angrier about those who look healthy and able bodied falling off the wagon and becoming completely dysfunctional than with seniors or disabled people who need the same amount of help. It makes it harder to deal with relatives like this who aren't elderly and physically disabled but require the same amount of care and involvement often in basic everyday life. I am guessing that some of the unfortunates ending up on the streets are like your BIL, but didn't have family support, or family had become fed up or unable to take care of them. And because they aren't elderly, there are no government run nursing homes for them or facilities where they can be housed and taken care of. Like you pointed out, some of these people just won't be able to live on their own even if provided with free housing, and they certainly will lower QOL for the neighbors, so won't be welcome in regular housing, special housing would be needed.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:57
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.
My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.
Please don't confuse most migrants with the homeless. We need people able and willing to work. The homeless are neither.
Migrants are expected to work and charity organizations would cut them off if they are just freeloading without any plans to support themselves. They would then end up on the streets and some of them do. But we don't have any expectation of homeless people, we just give up on them and let them compost and self-destruct on the streets. Maybe if we forced them to work in exchange for housing that would not be as restrictive and unpleasant as homeless shelters they would be motivated in some way? Maybe they'd get that dopamine hit they are chasing with drugs by enjoying fruits of their labor and feeling like they are needed and useful in society and have their place. There are many homeless who aren't severely mentally ill or beyond the turning point in their addictions.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 21:45
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
You are brainstorming from the incorrect assumption that these are able bodied people of sound mind who are homeless simply because they haven't found work lately.
One town is for the able bodied to learn a trade. Another town is for the addicts who will receive on site services. Another town is for the mentally ill to receive care. Each town would have a different mission and set of resources. Local laws should be changed and enforced to make camping illegal. Those arrested will have a choice: go to jail or go get help in this pilot program. This should be piloted in a small scale. What’s to lose?
Are you going to build a fence around the town?
If camping is illegal then where will these people go? Surely free shelter and food would be a more attractive option compared with begging in the city and sleeping under the sky on the streets exposed to weather elements. And if carts and other belongings homeless scatter around residential streets will be constantly removed, they will move to greener pastures. No wall needs to be built when something looks like "greener pasture" compared to unbearable life on city streets. If you keep making encampment life comfy, nobody will move, no brainer here.
I think you vastly underestimate the situation. No matter how bad you make it, there are people that will want to be on the streets in the city.
Where the drugs are.
Drugs follow demand and dealers come to the areas where there are buyers. It's a self-perpetuating circle of hell. Keeping tent cities would bring more dealers into the areas where they are concentrated, and in turn would bring more and more tent dwellers. And there are very nice areas of the city where these tents are appearing too, there were no drug issues in these areas from what I would gather.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 20:25
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.
My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.
Please don't confuse most migrants with the homeless. We need people able and willing to work. The homeless are neither.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 20:24
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
You are brainstorming from the incorrect assumption that these are able bodied people of sound mind who are homeless simply because they haven't found work lately.
One town is for the able bodied to learn a trade. Another town is for the addicts who will receive on site services. Another town is for the mentally ill to receive care. Each town would have a different mission and set of resources. Local laws should be changed and enforced to make camping illegal. Those arrested will have a choice: go to jail or go get help in this pilot program. This should be piloted in a small scale. What’s to lose?
Are you going to build a fence around the town?
If camping is illegal then where will these people go? Surely free shelter and food would be a more attractive option compared with begging in the city and sleeping under the sky on the streets exposed to weather elements. And if carts and other belongings homeless scatter around residential streets will be constantly removed, they will move to greener pastures. No wall needs to be built when something looks like "greener pasture" compared to unbearable life on city streets. If you keep making encampment life comfy, nobody will move, no brainer here.
I think you vastly underestimate the situation. No matter how bad you make it, there are people that will want to be on the streets in the city.
Where the drugs are.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 20:23
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
My brother in law would be homeless if my husband and I did not make sure that he says in his condo. He can't even be bothered to put his trash in plastic bags and dump it down the chute. this is a decent building and we have constant complaints about roaches coming form his condo into others. The condo lawyer works with us to with a threat of forcing him from the building so that the staff can go in once a month to spray for roaches. On Monday, we will have the annual cleaning of his studio condo by a company that actually cleans up crimes scenes. The cost is typically $1,000 to $1,200 because the place is so filthy. He can't be bothered to clean. He is a self medicating alcoholic who has refused FREE rehabilitation paid for by Fairfax County on numerous occasions.
Do tell me how he is going to be trained to do anything. Although the thought of him being off our daily problem list would be wonderful.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 20:06
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
You are brainstorming from the incorrect assumption that these are able bodied people of sound mind who are homeless simply because they haven't found work lately.
One town is for the able bodied to learn a trade. Another town is for the addicts who will receive on site services. Another town is for the mentally ill to receive care. Each town would have a different mission and set of resources. Local laws should be changed and enforced to make camping illegal. Those arrested will have a choice: go to jail or go get help in this pilot program. This should be piloted in a small scale. What’s to lose?
Are you going to build a fence around the town?
If camping is illegal then where will these people go? Surely free shelter and food would be a more attractive option compared with begging in the city and sleeping under the sky on the streets exposed to weather elements. And if carts and other belongings homeless scatter around residential streets will be constantly removed, they will move to greener pastures. No wall needs to be built when something looks like "greener pasture" compared to unbearable life on city streets. If you keep making encampment life comfy, nobody will move, no brainer here.
I think you vastly underestimate the situation. No matter how bad you make it, there are people that will want to be on the streets in the city.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 16:46
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.
My church took in some of the migrants on a temporary basis until they could get on their feet. My understanding was that they very much want to work. And are working almost immediately upon arrival.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 16:12
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
From the footage I see there aren't many kids though... mostly young men, actually. If they come for free housing and food and medicine, they should turn back, if they are willing to work, there is plenty of work to go around municipal projects and city improvements, make people work for the shelter and food at least 4 hours a day, don't give anything free, problem solved.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 16:09
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
You are brainstorming from the incorrect assumption that these are able bodied people of sound mind who are homeless simply because they haven't found work lately.
One town is for the able bodied to learn a trade. Another town is for the addicts who will receive on site services. Another town is for the mentally ill to receive care. Each town would have a different mission and set of resources. Local laws should be changed and enforced to make camping illegal. Those arrested will have a choice: go to jail or go get help in this pilot program. This should be piloted in a small scale. What’s to lose?
Are you going to build a fence around the town?
If camping is illegal then where will these people go? Surely free shelter and food would be a more attractive option compared with begging in the city and sleeping under the sky on the streets exposed to weather elements. And if carts and other belongings homeless scatter around residential streets will be constantly removed, they will move to greener pastures. No wall needs to be built when something looks like "greener pasture" compared to unbearable life on city streets. If you keep making encampment life comfy, nobody will move, no brainer here.
Anonymous
08/23/2022 16:01
Subject: Homeless encampments
Good news though!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
The children of migrants exported by Gov. Abbot from Texas to DC will now be enrolled in DC schools.
Win!
Anonymous
08/23/2022 15:52
Subject: Homeless encampments
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a radical new approach. The current situation helps no one. First step, the federal government should purchase one of the many ghost towns in rural America that time has passed by. Second step, offer a chance to 100 able bodied homeless to move there where they will receive free housing, food, and counseling. Teach them roofing skills, how to hang drywall, basic plumbing, life skills, etc. Pay the first 100 livable wages to rehab the town. Then, 100 more move in. They can leave at any time with a set of actual skills or stay and continue to rehab additional housing. If successful, this could be done on scale at 100s of sites around the country.
You are brainstorming from the incorrect assumption that these are able bodied people of sound mind who are homeless simply because they haven't found work lately.
One town is for the able bodied to learn a trade. Another town is for the addicts who will receive on site services. Another town is for the mentally ill to receive care. Each town would have a different mission and set of resources. Local laws should be changed and enforced to make camping illegal. Those arrested will have a choice: go to jail or go get help in this pilot program. This should be piloted in a small scale. What’s to lose?
Are you going to build a fence around the town?
Of course not. Some may leave. But most will stay for free food, abundant housing, counseling, and training. This needs to be piloted.