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Anonymous wrote:OMG. Those are some low test scores. My kids ended up at a private HS because I didn’t feel comfortable sending them there and they had much higher test scores taken end of sophomore year of HS.

It’s kind of jarring. You can definitely see grade inflation in that data.

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The University of Wisconsin data was upsetting. My Big3 private school kid was waitlisted with a 33 ACT and a WL kid with a 26 ACT was accepted? Wow.

Ha ha, good. You wasted your money when your kid could have just gone to W-L. Ha!

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked/annoyed at the high percent of kids who got accepted into UC’s. I live in CA and so many of our high school seniors got shut out.

VA parents say that about UVA all the time. Get in line.

It's also very obvious that, while both Harvard and Yale have two admits, at least one of the two is the same student.

Why is everyone talking about low test scores? The average test scores for most admitted students seem pretty spot on to me, and yea it's obvious that some of the lower ones weren't submitted. So what?

To me, what's interesting is the average test scores for CNU and GMU. Virginia posters act like CNU is the new Harvard, and this info shows that it isn't. Looks like anybody can get it. And that poster who insists that nobody local can get into GMU without curing cancer? Um, not so much.

Interesting, too, that it's easier to get into Maryland from OOS than UVA from in state. So much for the schools being on par.

And who can explain Michigan? Only 4 of 57 applicants get in, and their average SAT is only a 1265?

Then there's Juniata, which frequently comes up when posters drool over CTCL schools. And 890 on the SAT and a 3.0 gets you in? Wow. Why even bother requiring an application? It's more like a subscription!

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Anonymous wrote:Is "accepted" really an "accepted" or does it mean "enrolled"?

I looked at several schools that frequently get mentioned on DCUM. Arizona State only had 3 accepted of the 17 that applied? CU Boulder was 40 of 57? (lowest SAT was < 1000.)

I think this report has some data issues.

If they meant enrolled, they would have said so. Could be that many of the students who applied to Arizona State were not that qualified, showed little genuine interest, etc. -- you can't draw firm conclusions from a total of 17 students. Plus, if the 47 for UVA meant enrolled and the school has a, say, 50% yield rate, do you think 94 were accepted from the 196 applicants? No way.

I picked out ASU and CU-Boulder because I have a little experience with them (either an alum or DC applied there). I don't live in VA, so no experience with instate UVA. Anyway.... Arizona State is considered "easy" to get into by DCUM and the acceptance rate is around 90%. So yes, 17% is an outlier. Boulder is less so, but still seems off. I stopped looking after that point.

Finally, as another poster said, this is likely Naviance data. The problem with Naviance is so much is self reported, other than Applied and Enrolled (which we don't have). I think the UVA students may have been more motivated to indicate they were "accepted" to UVA than the Arizona State students who maybe were using it as a safety school.

Honestly, I cannot believe this information was published. There are so many small cell sizes. Some colleges have 1 applied, 1 accepted. Well, guess what that student's scores were? Even when it is 2 or 3 accepted.... those numbers are so easy to back out as well, esp. since giving the Mean and Min scores. US Census won't display data is less than 5. WL is letting their alumni down.

Anonymous wrote:OMG. Those are some low test scores. My kids ended up at a private HS because I didn’t feel comfortable sending them there and they had much higher test scores taken end of sophomore year of HS.

It’s kind of jarring. You can definitely see grade inflation in that data.

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The University of Wisconsin data was upsetting. My Big3 private school kid was waitlisted with a 33 ACT and a WL kid with a 26 ACT was accepted? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

The SAT and ACT are NOT intelligences tests. Your kid is obviously very smart, but I bet you're UMC and that has a big impact on scores. Kids who are just as naturally smart as your kid but raised in a moderate or lower middle class home, attend a non-rigorous school, have non-English speaking parents, etc. will score lower.

Any other high school post similar data?

I’m shocked/annoyed at the high percent of kids who got accepted into UC’s. I live in CA and so many of our high school seniors got shut out.

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Anonymous wrote:Not from DC... is this considered a good high school? Know anything about it?

Never heard of it but looked it up. Seems diverse and probably "average", not "dcum average"

https://www.greatschools.org/virginia/arlington/133-Washington-Liberty-High-School/

Its a very well regarded high school in Arlington, VA. Very diverse, both on racial/ethnic dimensions and also in terms of wealth.

Diverse = hooked = no or lower test scores needed. And quite a few of those kids are NOT upper middle class, which we know correlates closely with test scores.

+1. 36 percent plus Hispanic. 9 percent black. And a a huge percent ( 28 %) farms. This is the kind of URM, first generation low-income student tgat colleges are looking for.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly colleges need to make testing mandatory again.

ok, but that's not what his chart proves

It proves a lot of parents/students were lying about their test scores to everyone

Right? My kid totally undershot based on this information.

I suspect that the very low test scores are people are pretty strongly "hooked," either as athletic recruits (most likely), or big development potential, or perhaps in a few cases URM's who were otherwise fantastic candidates for admission.

I don’t know that many recruits at top schools from WL so URM is much more likely given the school demographics.

It’s definitely URM which is why the pp kid with excellent credentials didn’t get in. They have a quota from each HS abs they took the URM, even the URMs that happen to also come from the same upbringing but get to check a box.

Just for the record, while I was (initially) pretty disappointed about my kid not getting into UVa, I'm disinclined to think that he didn't get in because URM kids "got his spot." I think my kid is awesome, but I don't know how his overall application looked in comparison to other applicants. I'm more of the belief that there were a lot of "qualified" applicants this year, and he lost out in a numbers game. Someone is going to look at the scattergram next year, however, and say "How did that kid not get in?"

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

And all the prep in the world isn’t going to bring a 19 up to a 34. Some kids just aren’t intelligent, but their parents can write their papers and do their projects and harass their teachers for that already easy inflated A.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly colleges need to make testing mandatory again.

ok, but that's not what his chart proves

It proves a lot of parents/students were lying about their test scores to everyone

Right? My kid totally undershot based on this information.

I suspect that the very low test scores are people are pretty strongly "hooked," either as athletic recruits (most likely), or big development potential, or perhaps in a few cases URM's who were otherwise fantastic candidates for admission.

I don’t know that many recruits at top schools from WL so URM is much more likely given the school demographics.

It’s definitely URM which is why the pp kid with excellent credentials didn’t get in. They have a quota from each HS abs they took the URM, even the URMs that happen to also come from the same upbringing but get to check a box.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing some of those low scores (that were surely not submitted) made me feel better in some ways (but worse in others). But at least proof that not every kid has a 1450+ like is seemingly claimed on here.

It also depends on the high school in question. Some high schools have much higher stats.

It pisses me off scores aren’t required. So many kids with every advantage in the world (not the students that taking away scores was supposed to help) are now clogging admissions and applying places they never would have ever considered if they had to submit that low score.

Yah. Bummer your kid blew all of that time and money prepping and studying while others did something more fun/valuable. Tests are done. No one cares anymore. Your little Prep machine will need to find some other formula.

Smart people don’t need prep. His first mock ACT was a 35.

I agree with PPs upthread that the low scores were most certainly not submitted. I do feel this sheds some light on test optional admissions (and not in a good way)