Anonymous
08/07/2022 22:18
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Not exactly. MCPS still refused to release the lottery pool data to the public, which should be available six months ago. If it is a fair lottery (random lottery as described in the MCPS report), the lottery pool data should match the lottery results. What are they hiding?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
DP. I have to disagree. In fact, I think this is an excellent way to smoke out and document which judges are bad eggs. All you have to do is compare the original complaints to the published ruling. If the ruling doesn't directly address the complaint, assuming the judge isn't completely incompetent, it's a clear indicator that something else is going on behind the scenes.
The wheels of justice roll slow (look at how long it's taking to nail Trump), but they do roll. MCPS CO has left such a huge trail of mistakes and carnage, eventually something's gotta give.
Maybe believing in these fictions makes you feel better, but the complaint just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny and was laughed out of court.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 22:11
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
DP. I have to disagree. In fact, I think this is an excellent way to smoke out and document which judges are bad eggs. All you have to do is compare the original complaints to the published ruling. If the ruling doesn't directly address the complaint, assuming the judge isn't completely incompetent, it's a clear indicator that something else is going on behind the scenes.
The wheels of justice roll slow (look at how long it's taking to nail Trump), but they do roll. MCPS CO has left such a huge trail of mistakes and carnage, eventually something's gotta give.
Maybe believing in these fictions makes you feel better, but the complaint just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny and was laughed out of court.
"Laughed out of court" is rude, dismissive, and disrespectful. It was a serious case and considered seriously by serious people. It was dismissed after thorough consideration.
Please at least respect that.
I believe it was largely ignored. This was not the only case. Not the only complaint.
The issue with this case was they were very selective in who was represented. If you look at the other complaints and cases, it's much more clear cut.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 21:18
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
DP. I have to disagree. In fact, I think this is an excellent way to smoke out and document which judges are bad eggs. All you have to do is compare the original complaints to the published ruling. If the ruling doesn't directly address the complaint, assuming the judge isn't completely incompetent, it's a clear indicator that something else is going on behind the scenes.
The wheels of justice roll slow (look at how long it's taking to nail Trump), but they do roll. MCPS CO has left such a huge trail of mistakes and carnage, eventually something's gotta give.
Maybe believing in these fictions makes you feel better, but the complaint just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny and was laughed out of court.
"Laughed out of court" is rude, dismissive, and disrespectful. It was a serious case and considered seriously by serious people. It was dismissed after thorough consideration.
Please at least respect that.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 20:33
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
DP. I have to disagree. In fact, I think this is an excellent way to smoke out and document which judges are bad eggs. All you have to do is compare the original complaints to the published ruling. If the ruling doesn't directly address the complaint, assuming the judge isn't completely incompetent, it's a clear indicator that something else is going on behind the scenes.
The wheels of justice roll slow (look at how long it's taking to nail Trump), but they do roll. MCPS CO has left such a huge trail of mistakes and carnage, eventually something's gotta give.
Maybe believing in these fictions makes you feel better, but the complaint just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny and was laughed out of court.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 20:31
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In her memorandum dismissing the lawsuit, Xinis wrote: “… the Court cannot see how the Pandemic Plan visited a disproportionate burden on Asian American students when the percentage of admitted Asian American students so substantially outpaces the percentage representation among all applicants.”
So does this mean MCPS admitted more asians into the program compared to the percentage of asians applied? So it is fair and ok to not admit other equally qualified asian students? May be this is posted out of context?
Doesn't MCPS have a responsibility to meet the academic needs of ALL students?
Yes, I understand that this is what happened pre-2018. Asian parents were focused, applied for their DC and had their DC do test prep. So, they were disproportionately represented. It then evolved to testing everyone at Grade 3 and taking the top whatever percent. This brought in DC whose were bright but whose parents were less focused on the application process. Since there was/is a finite number of seats, the Asian population declined relatively speaking and some people were unhappy that the process became more competitive (hence the lawsuit). I think that it has evolved to more of a lottery since then.
I call bull on this. Some racist b is spreading lies to falsely libel Asians.
Pre-2018 MCPS tested everyone at Grade 3 thinking they missed qualified kids who could have applied for the magnet program. Did it change anything? Not from what I saw.
No, They did not.
No, they did. Not sure what year it started, but they went from opt-in to testing everyone.
It started for the class entering CES / MS in fall 2018.
Yes, they went from reviewing a few hundred applicants whose parents were in the know to literally everyone with universal screening.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 20:19
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In her memorandum dismissing the lawsuit, Xinis wrote: “… the Court cannot see how the Pandemic Plan visited a disproportionate burden on Asian American students when the percentage of admitted Asian American students so substantially outpaces the percentage representation among all applicants.”
So does this mean MCPS admitted more asians into the program compared to the percentage of asians applied? So it is fair and ok to not admit other equally qualified asian students? May be this is posted out of context?
Doesn't MCPS have a responsibility to meet the academic needs of ALL students?
Yes, I understand that this is what happened pre-2018. Asian parents were focused, applied for their DC and had their DC do test prep. So, they were disproportionately represented. It then evolved to testing everyone at Grade 3 and taking the top whatever percent. This brought in DC whose were bright but whose parents were less focused on the application process. Since there was/is a finite number of seats, the Asian population declined relatively speaking and some people were unhappy that the process became more competitive (hence the lawsuit). I think that it has evolved to more of a lottery since then.
I call bull on this. Some racist b is spreading lies to falsely libel Asians.
Pre-2018 MCPS tested everyone at Grade 3 thinking they missed qualified kids who could have applied for the magnet program. Did it change anything? Not from what I saw.
No, They did not.
No, they did. Not sure what year it started, but they went from opt-in to testing everyone.
It started for the class entering CES / MS in fall 2018.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 19:55
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In her memorandum dismissing the lawsuit, Xinis wrote: “… the Court cannot see how the Pandemic Plan visited a disproportionate burden on Asian American students when the percentage of admitted Asian American students so substantially outpaces the percentage representation among all applicants.”
So does this mean MCPS admitted more asians into the program compared to the percentage of asians applied? So it is fair and ok to not admit other equally qualified asian students? May be this is posted out of context?
Doesn't MCPS have a responsibility to meet the academic needs of ALL students?
Yes, I understand that this is what happened pre-2018. Asian parents were focused, applied for their DC and had their DC do test prep. So, they were disproportionately represented. It then evolved to testing everyone at Grade 3 and taking the top whatever percent. This brought in DC whose were bright but whose parents were less focused on the application process. Since there was/is a finite number of seats, the Asian population declined relatively speaking and some people were unhappy that the process became more competitive (hence the lawsuit). I think that it has evolved to more of a lottery since then.
I call bull on this. Some racist b is spreading lies to falsely libel Asians.
Pre-2018 MCPS tested everyone at Grade 3 thinking they missed qualified kids who could have applied for the magnet program. Did it change anything? Not from what I saw.
No, They did not.
No, they did. Not sure what year it started, but they went from opt-in to testing everyone.
My kid started at the CES in 2017, and we had submitted an application (in the late fall of 2016, IIRC).
Anonymous
08/07/2022 19:30
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In her memorandum dismissing the lawsuit, Xinis wrote: “… the Court cannot see how the Pandemic Plan visited a disproportionate burden on Asian American students when the percentage of admitted Asian American students so substantially outpaces the percentage representation among all applicants.”
So does this mean MCPS admitted more asians into the program compared to the percentage of asians applied? So it is fair and ok to not admit other equally qualified asian students? May be this is posted out of context?
Doesn't MCPS have a responsibility to meet the academic needs of ALL students?
Yes, I understand that this is what happened pre-2018. Asian parents were focused, applied for their DC and had their DC do test prep. So, they were disproportionately represented. It then evolved to testing everyone at Grade 3 and taking the top whatever percent. This brought in DC whose were bright but whose parents were less focused on the application process. Since there was/is a finite number of seats, the Asian population declined relatively speaking and some people were unhappy that the process became more competitive (hence the lawsuit). I think that it has evolved to more of a lottery since then.
I call bull on this. Some racist b is spreading lies to falsely libel Asians.
Pre-2018 MCPS tested everyone at Grade 3 thinking they missed qualified kids who could have applied for the magnet program. Did it change anything? Not from what I saw.
No, They did not.
No, they did. Not sure what year it started, but they went from opt-in to testing everyone.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 13:20
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
Exactly, it was hard for them to find there was harm. The smallest but well-represented group remains the most well represented by a wide margin even after the changes in a race-blind selection.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 13:13
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In her memorandum dismissing the lawsuit, Xinis wrote: “… the Court cannot see how the Pandemic Plan visited a disproportionate burden on Asian American students when the percentage of admitted Asian American students so substantially outpaces the percentage representation among all applicants.”
So does this mean MCPS admitted more asians into the program compared to the percentage of asians applied? So it is fair and ok to not admit other equally qualified asian students? May be this is posted out of context?
Doesn't MCPS have a responsibility to meet the academic needs of ALL students?
Yes, I understand that this is what happened pre-2018. Asian parents were focused, applied for their DC and had their DC do test prep. So, they were disproportionately represented. It then evolved to testing everyone at Grade 3 and taking the top whatever percent. This brought in DC whose were bright but whose parents were less focused on the application process. Since there was/is a finite number of seats, the Asian population declined relatively speaking and some people were unhappy that the process became more competitive (hence the lawsuit). I think that it has evolved to more of a lottery since then.
I call bull on this. Some racist b is spreading lies to falsely libel Asians.
Pre-2018 MCPS tested everyone at Grade 3 thinking they missed qualified kids who could have applied for the magnet program. Did it change anything? Not from what I saw.
No, They did not.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:45
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
DP. I have to disagree. In fact, I think this is an excellent way to smoke out and document which judges are bad eggs. All you have to do is compare the original complaints to the published ruling. If the ruling doesn't directly address the complaint, assuming the judge isn't completely incompetent, it's a clear indicator that something else is going on behind the scenes.
The wheels of justice roll slow (look at how long it's taking to nail Trump), but they do roll. MCPS CO has left such a huge trail of mistakes and carnage, eventually something's gotta give.
There was an amended complaint here that dropped some of the original claims. With that in mind, what do you think was in the complaint that wasn't addressed in the decision? The amended complaint challenged the "Pandemic Plan" only. The judge ruled on the Pandemic Plan. The complaint was directly addressed.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:01
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Aren't there judges with relatives in MCPS who rule on cases where MCPS is the defendant? I would think that's a slam dunk?
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:00
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
DP. I have to disagree. In fact, I think this is an excellent way to smoke out and document which judges are bad eggs. All you have to do is compare the original complaints to the published ruling. If the ruling doesn't directly address the complaint, assuming the judge isn't completely incompetent, it's a clear indicator that something else is going on behind the scenes.
The wheels of justice roll slow (look at how long it's taking to nail Trump), but they do roll. MCPS CO has left such a huge trail of mistakes and carnage, eventually something's gotta give.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 07:52
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's absolutely NO shock that this baseless lawsuit was tossed.
It had 0 merit and was a joke.
I think what you read in the final judgement did not include all the evidence. I believe if you had seen all of the evidence, you would agree there was merit behind the lawsuit.
I did. It seems that the judge carefully weigh the evidence and concluded that there was no harm done. In other words this case never had any merit and was a waste of time.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 02:16
Subject: Lawsuit challenging MCPS magnet admissions dismissed
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah agreed. MCPS has good top cover with judges. Would be interesting to see if their kids get preferential treatment with these magnets. I mean the judges are basically pols and run for office. It’s Maryland so likely the case. (Corrupt to the core).
No, this was a federal judge in U.S. District Court, appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. They don't run for office.
+1
I'm afraid some of the trolls here don't actually understand how our judicial system works.
Not a troll. Also not a lawyer. But have seen how Maryland judged (who are elected) handle cases involving special education IEP plans (they nearly always side with MCPS). Sorry for not going to law school but there was some thought in my post - granted looking for bias at federal level that clearly is not there.