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Anonymous wrote:And another story here. Yeah, those health/life exceptions are working out great.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-mother-agonizing-choice-out-of-state-abortion/

She never even tried in TX. Life of the mother was definitely threatened

Not yet, she would have to wait to truly be at risk. Read the above research articles. Doctors are afraid to act, maternal mortality ends up worse. Hindsight is always 20/20 though, especially when republicans look at cases after the fact and say "they could have qualified." ... well, when it's earlier on and there's a risk, but the mom is stable, it's unclear to physicians how to proceed and they tend to prefer to wait to protect their license.

Anonymous wrote:And another story here. Yeah, those health/life exceptions are working out great.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-mother-agonizing-choice-out-of-state-abortion/

She never even tried in TX. Life of the mother was definitely threatened

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Anonymous wrote:At some point you have to realize how much this will affect the economy of these states. Moral objections aside. Practically speaking. Can you hold a conference or event in TX if pregnant women in your organization or group feel they cannot attend because they could not get appropriate, life saving medical care in an emergency? I’m past child bearing years. But if I were pregnant looking at this, I wouldn’t travel to TX or Ohio if pregnant. What if I had a miscarriage or a placental abruption or my membranes break on the trip? I couldn’t go to the hospital and get the nationally accepted standard of care. Holding the event there would be pregnancy/sex discrimination.

Remember NC and the transgender bathroom bill? That’s where we are headed with red states that don’t adequately protect the health and life of the mother. No conventions, meetings etc that could include women of childbearing age. When my organization plans it’s next major meeting, I will be very vocal about it being somewhere where our pregnant employees can get adequate healthcare in a medical emergency.

+1 I would not want anyone dear to me who is pregnant to be in these states, as a resident or visitor. What if they miscarry? I know so many friends/family members who have miscarried and needed a D&C. Thankfully, they all live in blue states.

If I were pregnant, I would not want to be in those states. I can't imagine a husband who loves his wife would want them there, either.

Affluent women will want to deliver elsewhere. The top quality care is not going to be in red states.

Affluent women will not want to pregnant there. There is a lot that can go wrong between the time the zygote implants and delivery. Some of it, like and ectopic rupture or a serious placental abruption can’t wait until you get out of state. You’re 2 weeks into a wanted pregnancy. Haven’t even told your job yet. Go on a business trip and wake up in a pool of blood, hemorrhaging internally or externally. You can’t say: oh, the next state is three hours away. I’ll go there and deal with it. It would like having your appendix burst and then delaying care several hours before you could get to a place that would treat you. You’d be dead.

No exception for the life of the mother? Ectopics alone are 1-2 percent. Incomplete miscarriage that turn septic without a D&C percentage is higher. Placental abruption. PROMS, Eclampsia, infection. Your are likely to get a 5-10% chance of a pregnancy resulting in the death of the mother in these states.

That’s not a dramatic number. And no responsible woman would go to a state where a medical emergency could lead to theor preventable death. No Fortune 500 company would ask them to.
Essay. Senselessly.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women don't have miscarriages, so they're fine with the rest of you dying in childbirth.

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Republicans don’t have slutty sex so they won’t ever have a miscarriage. DUH. Science.

+1. Only dirty, dirty sluts could ever need an abortion. That’s what the mentality boils down to. And dirty, dirty sluts deserve what they get.

I find it utterly fascinating that only democrats refer to women as sluts.

I mean thats what my Republican, Conservative, Catholic family calls women who have sex outside of marriage. Never their sons though. "Boys will be boys".....

+1. My Catholic mother when I was 12 (12!!): if you have sex before marriage, God will punish you by making pregnant.

Think through the ramifications of that worldview.

And then when you get married, God will reward you by making you pregnant?

I mean, the logic!

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women don't have miscarriages, so they're fine with the rest of you dying in childbirth.

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Republicans don’t have slutty sex so they won’t ever have a miscarriage. DUH. Science.

+1. Only dirty, dirty sluts could ever need an abortion. That’s what the mentality boils down to. And dirty, dirty sluts deserve what they get.

I find it utterly fascinating that only democrats refer to women as sluts.

I mean thats what my Republican, Conservative, Catholic family calls women who have sex outside of marriage. Never their sons though. "Boys will be boys".....

+1. My Catholic mother when I was 12 (12!!): if you have sex before marriage, God will punish you by making pregnant.

Think through the ramifications of that worldview.

Anonymous wrote:Why do these states want to destroy their maternal healthcare systems?

I realize people think it’s hyperbole when some of us say that Republicans want to live in the 1850s but with phones and that’s pretty much it. They like the idea of women dying. They want slavery back. They don’t like all those icky LGBTQIA+ people out there living their lives with a modicum of protection. They hate experts and want to go back to blights taking whole harvests, people freezing to death from a lack of energy/fuel.

Because they all think they’ll come out on top and that they’ll be the safe, protected ones.

Anonymous wrote:There are pro life folks on this forum, but none will comment.

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Stop calling them “pro life.” They are at best forced birth, and are actually probably closer to femicidal maniacs.

Why do these states want to destroy their maternal healthcare systems?

There are pro life folks on this forum, but none will comment.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2207423

"Clinicians we interviewed recounted a variety of circumstances in which a patient could have received hospital-based abortion care before SB8 but was now denied that care. Patients with a life-limiting fetal diagnosis, such as anencephaly or bilateral renal agenesis, are only being counseled to continue their pregnancy and offered neonatal comfort care options after delivery. All hospitals where our respondents practiced have prohibited multifetal reduction, even though in some cases (e.g., complications of monochorionic twins) failure to perform the procedure could result in the loss of both twins.

Patients with pregnancy complications or preexisting medical conditions that may be exacerbated by pregnancy are being forced to delay an abortion until their conditions become life-threatening and qualify as medical emergencies, or until fetal cardiac activity is no longer detectable. An MFM specialist reported that their hospital no longer offers treatment for ectopic pregnancies implanted in cesarean scars, despite strong recommendations from the Society for Maternal–Fetal Medicine that these life-threatening pregnancies be definitively managed with surgical or medical treatment.4 Some clinicians believe that patients with rupture of membranes before fetal viability are eligible for a medical exemption under SB8, while others believe these patients cannot receive an abortion so long as there is fetal cardiac activity. In multiple cases, the treating clinicians — believing, on the basis of their own or their hospital’s interpretation of the law, that they could not provide early intervention — sent patients home, only to see them return with signs of sepsis. An obstetrician–gynecologist recalled only one patient who was able to obtain an abortion at their hospital under SB8’s maternal health exemption, because her severe cardiac condition had progressed to the point that she was admitted to the intensive care unit. As an MFM specialist summarized, “People have to be on death’s door to qualify for maternal exemptions to SB8.”"

https://www.ajog.org/action/showPdf?pii=S0002-9378%2822%2900536-1

"In two Texas hospitals, state-mandated expectant management of obstetric complications in the periviable period was associated with significant maternal morbidity
(Figure). Consistent with reports evaluating outcomes in women requesting expectant management, the majority of pregnant patients at <22 weeks’ presenting with medical indications for delivery experienced serious morbidity, and fetal outcomes were poor. Expectant management resulted in 57% of patients having a serious maternal morbidity compared with 33% who elected immediate pregnancy interruption under similar clinical circumstances reported in states without such legislation"

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women don't have miscarriages, so they're fine with the rest of you dying in childbirth.

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Republicans don’t have slutty sex so they won’t ever have a miscarriage. DUH. Science.

+1. Only dirty, dirty sluts could ever need an abortion. That’s what the mentality boils down to. And dirty, dirty sluts deserve what they get.

I find it utterly fascinating that only democrats refer to women as sluts.

I mean thats what my Republican, Conservative, Catholic family calls women who have sex outside of marriage. Never their sons though. "Boys will be boys".....

Replace Catholic with Evangelical, and it is the same story on one side of my extended family. Never the guy’s fault. Nope, not at all. That sinful woman tricked him into it!
My ectopic pregnancy and years of infertility were “God’s will”, and I just needed to pray about it more.
Fortunately, science is a thing, and IVF worked for me. I consider myself Christian (Methodist, non-evangelical), and these types of people disgust me.

God have us brains, science, and the ability to try to take some control some of our reproductive lives.... contraception, ivf and other technologies and even abortion.

And another story here. Yeah, those health/life exceptions are working out great.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-mother-agonizing-choice-out-of-state-abortion/

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Anonymous wrote:I really do think we need to reassess whether the forced birthers are of sound enough mind to continue voting, driving, or basically doing anything else without a conservator. It seems like their brains just melt and drip out of their ears at the mention of “ten tiny toes”. Not sane.

The scary part is, a lot of them have guns.

But what about the baaayyybbbeesss? is the cray of every forced birther I know. They aren't the smartest people, which is why they are easily manipulated by the far right wing for it's own purposes..

People are saying that this is why Trump ran as a R.. because he knew they were dumber. Dumb and Dumber go together and this is what we got.

Anonymous wrote:I thought Texas had a health/life exception?

I live in Texas. The health/life exception is BS. This is just a sampling of what has happened already since Sep 2021 when SB8 went into effect.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2207423

She reported that her obstetrician advised her, “If you labor on the plane, leave the placenta inside of you. You’re going to have to deal with a 19-week fetus outside of your body until you land.”

And this is just what is documented and published already from people willing to speak about it. No doubt there are many other such stories developing now, or where the woman wanted to keep it a private matter, or where the doctor did not want to risk her job/safety by speaking out.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women don't have miscarriages, so they're fine with the rest of you dying in childbirth.

Source for this comment?

Republicans don’t have slutty sex so they won’t ever have a miscarriage. DUH. Science.

+1. Only dirty, dirty sluts could ever need an abortion. That’s what the mentality boils down to. And dirty, dirty sluts deserve what they get.

I find it utterly fascinating that only democrats refer to women as sluts.

I mean thats what my Republican, Conservative, Catholic family calls women who have sex outside of marriage. Never their sons though. "Boys will be boys".....

Replace Catholic with Evangelical, and it is the same story on one side of my extended family. Never the guy’s fault. Nope, not at all. That sinful woman tricked him into it!
My ectopic pregnancy and years of infertility were “God’s will”, and I just needed to pray about it more.
Fortunately, science is a thing, and IVF worked for me. I consider myself Christian (Methodist, non-evangelical), and these types of people disgust me.

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Anonymous wrote:I really do think we need to reassess whether the forced birthers are of sound enough mind to continue voting, driving, or basically doing anything else without a conservator. It seems like their brains just melt and drip out of their ears at the mention of “ten tiny toes”. Not sane.

The scary part is, a lot of them have guns.

But what about the baaayyybbbeesss? is the cray of every forced birther I know. They aren't the smartest people, which is why they are easily manipulated by the far right wing for it's own purposes..