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Another woke criminal justice reform policy in action.

I feel less safe allowing fast azz drivers to basically speed with impunity, but I’m glad we can virtue signal on this and the city council can pay itself on the back for equity or whatever the fk this is.

Next up is taking the age for the youth rehab act to cover up to 45, letting go of 90% of police officers (defund!) and letting shoplifting happen because it’s only fair.

And if you complain about it you are a gentrifying piece of sht who should move to Arlington.

This is kind of like how when kids were lighting leaves on fire under peoples cars in his neighborhood, Charles Allen blamed the city for not collecting leaves quickly enough.

Don’t worry guys, it’s definitely not stuff like this leads to Republican victories nationwide.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is it's an insurance thing. Someone who has no license can't be insured, uninsured hits someone they have a lot less ability yo get covered (suing the uninsured motorist doesn't really help because they likely have no money). They rightfully predict people will drive anyway.

It’s also just true that more speed cameras are placed in Black neighborhoods which results in Black people who have the least ability to pay disproportionately getting the most camera tickets.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/65/6501.asp

Something like 45% of traffic fatalities occur EOTR, which is a disproportionate share. Is it racist to ignore these traffic fatalities and put the cameras elsewhere or is it racist to put the cameras in the places where the most fatalities happen because the drivers in these areas are disproportionately BIPOC? I am confused.

just say you did not bother to read the report. An audit analysis found the same proportion o accidents/fatalities in white and black neighborhoods in the city.

I read the report. I then got the comprehensive crash data from DDOT. From 2016 through mid July 2022, 44% of fatal accidents occurred in Wards 7 and 8. Just 22% of DC’s population lives in Wards 7 and 8. Fatal accidents almost always are caused by excessive speed and so the places with the most fatal accidents should receive the most speed cameras. I’m not sure why you would have a problem with that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is it's an insurance thing. Someone who has no license can't be insured, uninsured hits someone they have a lot less ability yo get covered (suing the uninsured motorist doesn't really help because they likely have no money). They rightfully predict people will drive anyway.

It’s also just true that more speed cameras are placed in Black neighborhoods which results in Black people who have the least ability to pay disproportionately getting the most camera tickets.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/65/6501.asp

Something like 45% of traffic fatalities occur EOTR, which is a disproportionate share. Is it racist to ignore these traffic fatalities and put the cameras elsewhere or is it racist to put the cameras in the places where the most fatalities happen because the drivers in these areas are disproportionately BIPOC? I am confused.

just say you did not bother to read the report. An audit analysis found the same proportion o accidents/fatalities in white and black neighborhoods in the city.

Anonymous wrote:I used to speed in my youth but for the life of me I do not comprehend adults who still do it, especially adults with kids in the car. It doesn't really get you anywhere any faster, it just wastes gas (or EV power), increases wear and tear on the car, and stresses you out. Everyone just needs to relax and go exactly the speed limit. I actually laugh when maniac yuppies are behind me furious that I'm going exactly the speed limit.

It also cracks me up when some aggressive, entitled BMW-driving a-hole is whipping from lane to lane trying to pass people and cut them off, only to have me keep catching up to him at the very next red light without any of the effort.

Anonymous wrote:Speeding tickets, in particular photo radar tickets, affect POC more than whites. They are generally lower income, and have less ability to pay them. Not being able to pay tickets and register a car might mean the loss of a job and home. White people can get tickets and pay them. POC can face life altering debt.

If people don’t want a speeding ticket, then don’t speed. It’s that simple, folks!

I used to speed in my youth but for the life of me I do not comprehend adults who still do it, especially adults with kids in the car. It doesn't really get you anywhere any faster, it just wastes gas (or EV power), increases wear and tear on the car, and stresses you out. Everyone just needs to relax and go exactly the speed limit. I actually laugh when maniac yuppies are behind me furious that I'm going exactly the speed limit.

Interesting that this topic generates so much racism that it requires moderation to delete the most extremely racist posts. If you hate Black people do much, maybe you shouldn’t live in DC? Boise is 90% white, you might be more comfortable there.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand. What benefit is there to this proposal, for anyone? Do they just want to be re-elected?

Traffic laws should be strict and strictly enforced. Pedestrian lives matter.

11 Council members wanted to demonstrate that they sympathize with the plight of poor people. But only the type of poor people who have difficulties adhering to traffic regulations and get caught not doing so. Not the type of poor people who get killed or maimed or have their property damaged or destroyed by bad drivers.

Either that or they just don’t want to pay their own tickets. Brooke Pinto (license plate: “CMWARD2”) has hundreds of dollars in outstanding tickets. Other Councilmembers with less conspicuous license plates probably do too.

This is ridiculous. She has $740 in outstanding tickets.

“ Born in Greenwich, Connecticut, Pinto is the daughter of James Pinto, a private equity investor who heads MVC Capital.”

How in the world does she not pay her tickets and in what world is a personalized plate wise?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

That was satire.

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Anonymous wrote:They need to
a.) enforce
b.) refuse to renew registrations AND licenses
c.) get VA and MD to enforce given a huge percentage of traffic and violators aren't even from DC

Good luck with that.

DC's next AG should file suit against MD and VA to get them to pay plus damages and expenses for the past 20 years of traffic fatalities caused by out-of-state drivers from MD and VA if those states won't go after their violators. How can we make that happen?

Anonymous wrote:Speeding tickets, in particular photo radar tickets, affect POC more than whites. They are generally lower income, and have less ability to pay them. Not being able to pay tickets and register a car might mean the loss of a job and home. White people can get tickets and pay them. POC can face life altering debt.

Until the US moves to an income based system for traffic enforcement, which is very unlikely, traffic enforcement will always be regressive and unfair, but it doesn't mean it is unjust.

Don't want to get a speeding ticket? Then don't speed.