Anonymous
Post 07/16/2022 12:41     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.


Good grief. Do you not understand the vaccine has no bearing on whether he gets infected or not? How are people still this ignorant.


This was my question too. Vaccinated means that MAYBE you have less severe symptoms. Maybe. Which wouldn’t be relevant to kids anyway since they already don’t have severe symptoms. You can still get it, you can still pass it on.

Stop destroying your relationship with your son over literally nothing.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2022 10:49     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.


Good grief. Do you not understand the vaccine has no bearing on whether he gets infected or not? How are people still this ignorant.


Maybe because unlike you we know how to read and listen to medical professionals rather than random idiots on the internet ? Why don’t you try reading the New England Journal of Medicine instead of giving bad medical advice’

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2107717#:~:text=Overall%2C%20the%20likelihood%20of,for%20the%20two%20vaccines.

Overall, the likelihood of household transmission was approximately 40 to 50% lower in households of index patients who had been vaccinated 21 days or more before testing positive than in households of unvaccinated index patients; the findings were similar for the two vaccines. Thanks Thanks


NP. That article is from June 2021. I believe the earlier PP is referring to the efficacy of the vaccine for 5-11 against the current strain of covid. Your citation is about the efficacy of the vaccine against previous strains like Delta.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2022 09:42     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Are you worried about long haul Covid in yourself? If that’s the case, then I get it to some extent, but it’s not like you haven’t kept him for two years during the height of the pandemic without raising a fuss so it seems odd to dig in your heels now. If the worry is for your grandson, then that is all on the dad. He has Made the decision to not vaccinate the child so all consequences of that are on him. In no way shape or form could you be blamed for exposing the kid because they have made the decision to allow it.

However your son making an issue that you are “forcing” him to leave his kid elsewhere is really immature. He is responsible for childcare. You are already doing him a giant favor providing it! You son sounds very entitled.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2022 08:27     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sorry OP. It's always the idiots who are completely hard-headed.


Are you calling the OP or her son idiot?


The son is an idiot to refuse a vax with proven effectiveness for his kid. I just saw a neighbor kid whose mom refused to get her vaxxed suffer through a really terrible case of CoViD (lots of leg pain to the extent she had difficulty walking and had to be hospitalized for a day plus a high fever) whereas all the other vaxxed kids in the neighborhood had mild or asymptomatic CoViD cases. Her mother got her vaxxed after she had CoViD (came to her senses far too late.) If your son thinks your unvaxxed kid is better off remaining unvaxxed and in a daycare or with an unknown stepfather that’s your son’s decision. It’s an idiotic decision your son would be making but you have the right to protect yourself and those around you by insisting they be vaxxed.


NP but I love anecdotes on this board. Here are mine: I know approximately 20 unvaccinated kids who’ve had Covid in the past four months. One had a fever for three days and felt sick for those three days. That’s the worst reaction to Covid any of the 20 kids have had. The worst thing about it for most families was the vaccinated parents felt sick for five days while the perfectly fine kids destroyed the house.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 23:48     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.


Good grief. Do you not understand the vaccine has no bearing on whether he gets infected or not? How are people still this ignorant.


Maybe because unlike you we know how to read and listen to medical professionals rather than random idiots on the internet ? Why don’t you try reading the New England Journal of Medicine instead of giving bad medical advice’


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2107717#:~:text=Overall%2C%20the%20likelihood%20of,for%20the%20two%20vaccines.

Overall, the likelihood of household transmission was approximately 40 to 50% lower in households of index patients who had been vaccinated 21 days or more before testing positive than in households of unvaccinated index patients; the findings were similar for the two vaccines. Thanks Thanks
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 23:43     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Holy f&ck. The vaccine is perfectly safe for young people and the Pfizer is approved under normal protocols. The vast majority of kids who get covid will survive. Most kids may get mild covid. Some may get very sick, some may have long covid, some may even die. It's child abuse not to get your child vaxed. Parents who didn't vax children who then die should go to jail for manslaughter. Unless those parents who did "research" are PhD epidemiologists, your research is crap and you're an idiot. Your doctor is just trying to keep you coming so they can convince you over time to get your child vaxed. Behind the scenes they can't believe anyone would refuse life saving treatment. Don't think they respect your choice.


Hi Pzifer/Moderna rep!


+1. Is that your standard response when you don’t have anything intelligent to say? Because smart people who care about their children’s health are getting their kids vaxxed. and only stupid and selfish people like OP’s son would insist that Grandma expose herself to an unvaxxed kid.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 23:38     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.


Good grief. Do you not understand the vaccine has no bearing on whether he gets infected or not? How are people still this ignorant.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 22:23     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Holy f&ck. The vaccine is perfectly safe for young people and the Pfizer is approved under normal protocols. The vast majority of kids who get covid will survive. Most kids may get mild covid. Some may get very sick, some may have long covid, some may even die. It's child abuse not to get your child vaxed. Parents who didn't vax children who then die should go to jail for manslaughter. Unless those parents who did "research" are PhD epidemiologists, your research is crap and you're an idiot. Your doctor is just trying to keep you coming so they can convince you over time to get your child vaxed. Behind the scenes they can't believe anyone would refuse life saving treatment. Don't think they respect your choice.


Hi Pzifer/Moderna rep!


Oh please. I'm not a rep. Those companies are making money, no question, but their vaccines have saved probably millions of lives. Liars about vaccines have probably killed millions. I'm on team science. You can be on team ICU.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 22:18     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:Holy f&ck. The vaccine is perfectly safe for young people and the Pfizer is approved under normal protocols. The vast majority of kids who get covid will survive. Most kids may get mild covid. Some may get very sick, some may have long covid, some may even die. It's child abuse not to get your child vaxed. Parents who didn't vax children who then die should go to jail for manslaughter. Unless those parents who did "research" are PhD epidemiologists, your research is crap and you're an idiot. Your doctor is just trying to keep you coming so they can convince you over time to get your child vaxed. Behind the scenes they can't believe anyone would refuse life saving treatment. Don't think they respect your choice.


Hi Pzifer/Moderna rep!
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 22:17     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Holy f&ck. The vaccine is perfectly safe for young people and the Pfizer is approved under normal protocols. The vast majority of kids who get covid will survive. Most kids may get mild covid. Some may get very sick, some may have long covid, some may even die. It's child abuse not to get your child vaxed. Parents who didn't vax children who then die should go to jail for manslaughter. Unless those parents who did "research" are PhD epidemiologists, your research is crap and you're an idiot. Your doctor is just trying to keep you coming so they can convince you over time to get your child vaxed. Behind the scenes they can't believe anyone would refuse life saving treatment. Don't think they respect your choice.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 21:44     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
We chose not to vaccinate our 4th grader because her age group has such a low risk of severe disease compared to me and DH in our 40s. DH and I got vaccinated. We all got COVID in May. DD had a 1 day fever. And that was it. For me, it was realllll bad. So I would not worry about it unless your grandson has risk factors for severe disease like obesity.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 21:35     Subject: Re:Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have you asked him why?

My husband and I are both fully vaccinated. We have not vaccinated our child who is 5. We will likely give her the novavax version in 2 or so years after it’s been approved. We have chosen not to give her the current ones available not because we don’t believe in them but they were approved under emergency protocol and we would prefer a vaccine that is more fully researched for our child. We have consulted on an ongoing basis with our child’s pediatrician who supports this decision for our child (not speaking for other kids because each individuals health and risk is different.

If a family member or cafe provider mandated we give our child the vaccine we would stand firm by our decision. I am not saying your son is right but you could be more curious around his choice. This is not a black and white issue although so much of the narrative paints it as so.


I have asked him. He regurgitates Joe Rogan which is just not reassuring. He has not consulted with their pediatrician.

I am a college educated social worker with a minor in public health.


And I have a Master's in Social Work and a Master's in Public Health and I am begging my daughter not to immunize her infant. Your education doesn't do you any good unless you are actively seeking out the research. How many studies have you read?
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2022 21:31     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sorry OP. It's always the idiots who are completely hard-headed.


There is no evidence that the vaccine is helpful for a child this age, and some evidence that it can be harmful. Perhaps you should be careful calling people idiots.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 23:56     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Op, don't punish your grandchild for his father's decision.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 22:47     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Vaccinated aren’t spreading less. The vaccine is outdated, and its efficacy in under 11 yo is low.
Your son can absolutely block your access, and for what?!
He is also right that you are forcing him to leave GS with strangers or stepdad.
You are jeopardizing your family relationships for nothing. Your GS is not a superspreader and he is not going to die from BA5