Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has a systematic culture so nepotism. It’s not just in athletics.

And if they didn't, they'd have zero money and all those financial aid kids could forget about attending. People shoud be thankful that donors love Georgetown enough to keep it going..for now.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids did he get into Georgetown for 3.5 million? That is a lot of $$. I'm shocked a parent would even pay a bribe for Georgetown. I can't help but think none of this really matters. He should have to pay back all the $ to the state as a fine, but it makes no sense to stick him in jail. Who exactly did he hurt?

He hurt all the GT applicants who would have been admitted if not for those stolen seats secured through bribes.

How could you ever show that someone wasn't admitted because of these bribes? How did it hurt them, in a way that could be compensated in a court of law. Putting this guy in jail is a terrible waste of taxpayer $$.

People should not be punished with jail time unless you can point to a specific victim? That's a very odd system of justice.

Right. How about deterrence value, which is huge for white collar cases. Rich folks are terrified of jail.

It was a waste of time and resources. These parents wrote checks to get their kids into a college. Other parents write larger checks to colleges and their kids get in. One set gets prosecuted the other set gets building named after them.

And another set misunderstands the facts of the case completely!

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Anonymous wrote:My kids would't have agreed to any bribe, handout, side door, connection etc even if it was on the plate. I think young men and women who benefit from such actions are also partly responsible for going along.

Agree, but it sounds like some of the kids didn’t know. The story with the Huffman/Macy daughter was particularly sad. She legit thought she got a great test score after years of struggling and was thrilled with herself. Her mom talked about her regrets for betraying her daughter as well as cheating the system.

Not sure why people are humanizing these scammers. How could these kids not have known their scores were off?

I’m the person above with the kid with dyslexia. My kid worked so hard and really thought they would hit 30. They got 26. So frustrating. Luckily, most schools are test optional.

Yeah, I never knew what score to expect on any standardized test or higher level math exam. For the latter, I often ended up with As when I thought I’d bombed. That’s how it goes when you don’t really understand the material but are able to cram enough to recognize and reproduce patterns you’ve memorized.

Yes. I’m the PP you quoted. The point I was inarticulately making was the kids night not have known. They may have thought they crushed it like my kid did.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids would't have agreed to any bribe, handout, side door, connection etc even if it was on the plate. I think young men and women who benefit from such actions are also partly responsible for going along.

Agree, but it sounds like some of the kids didn’t know. The story with the Huffman/Macy daughter was particularly sad. She legit thought she got a great test score after years of struggling and was thrilled with herself. Her mom talked about her regrets for betraying her daughter as well as cheating the system.

Not sure why people are humanizing these scammers. How could these kids not have known their scores were off?

I’m the person above with the kid with dyslexia. My kid worked so hard and really thought they would hit 30. They got 26. So frustrating. Luckily, most schools are test optional.

Yeah, I never knew what score to expect on any standardized test or higher level math exam. For the latter, I often ended up with As when I thought I’d bombed. That’s how it goes when you don’t really understand the material but are able to cram enough to recognize and reproduce patterns you’ve memorized.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids would't have agreed to any bribe, handout, side door, connection etc even if it was on the plate. I think young men and women who benefit from such actions are also partly responsible for going along.

Agree, but it sounds like some of the kids didn’t know. The story with the Huffman/Macy daughter was particularly sad. She legit thought she got a great test score after years of struggling and was thrilled with herself. Her mom talked about her regrets for betraying her daughter as well as cheating the system.

Not sure why people are humanizing these scammers. How could these kids not have known their scores were off?

I’m the person above with the kid with dyslexia. My kid worked so hard and really thought they would hit 30. They got 26. So frustrating. Luckily, most schools are test optional.

Anonymous wrote:Many successful people want others to view them as, not only successful in themselves, also they are great parents and raise high achieving children as well. So deals under the table that apparently make the children get into elite colleges on their own merits is more preferred than making donations so everyone knows they simply buy the way in for their “dumb” juniors.

It's kind of like when both parents have plastic surgeries to fool each other - and the world - that they are "beautiful" people. The jig's up when they produce ugly kids.

Georgetown has a systematic culture so nepotism. It’s not just in athletics.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids would't have agreed to any bribe, handout, side door, connection etc even if it was on the plate. I think young men and women who benefit from such actions are also partly responsible for going along.

Agree, but it sounds like some of the kids didn’t know. The story with the Huffman/Macy daughter was particularly sad. She legit thought she got a great test score after years of struggling and was thrilled with herself. Her mom talked about her regrets for betraying her daughter as well as cheating the system.

Not sure why people are humanizing these scammers. How could these kids not have known their scores were off?

Anonymous wrote:My kids would't have agreed to any bribe, handout, side door, connection etc even if it was on the plate. I think young men and women who benefit from such actions are also partly responsible for going along.

Agree, but it sounds like some of the kids didn’t know. The story with the Huffman/Macy daughter was particularly sad. She legit thought she got a great test score after years of struggling and was thrilled with herself. Her mom talked about her regrets for betraying her daughter as well as cheating the system.

My kids would't have agreed to any bribe, handout, side door, connection etc even if it was on the plate. I think young men and women who benefit from such actions are also partly responsible for going along.

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Anonymous wrote:Whites have legacy, connections, donations and the "side-door";

blacks and Hispanics have affirmative action;

Asians get the shaft.

Not really. Who will succeed in life? Legacies, connectors, donors, side-doorers, affirmative action babies - or the young, smart, beautiful go getters who still believe in their dreams?

Yes of course they MUST be beautiful!

No beauty in legacies, connectors, donors, side-doorers, or affirmative action babies.

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Anonymous wrote:Whites have legacy, connections, donations and the "side-door";

blacks and Hispanics have affirmative action;

Asians get the shaft.

Not really. Who will succeed in life? Legacies, connectors, donors, side-doorers, affirmative action babies - or the young, smart, beautiful go getters who still believe in their dreams?

Definitely easier for the former.

Easier short term.

There aren't many famous and successful person whose children achieved similar success.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids did he get into Georgetown for 3.5 million? That is a lot of $$. I'm shocked a parent would even pay a bribe for Georgetown. I can't help but think none of this really matters. He should have to pay back all the $ to the state as a fine, but it makes no sense to stick him in jail. Who exactly did he hurt?

He hurt all the GT applicants who would have been admitted if not for those stolen seats secured through bribes.

How could you ever show that someone wasn't admitted because of these bribes? How did it hurt them, in a way that could be compensated in a court of law. Putting this guy in jail is a terrible waste of taxpayer $$.

People should not be punished with jail time unless you can point to a specific victim? That's a very odd system of justice.

Right. How about deterrence value, which is huge for white collar cases. Rich folks are terrified of jail.

It was a waste of time and resources. These parents wrote checks to get their kids into a college. Other parents write larger checks to colleges and their kids get in. One set gets prosecuted the other set gets building named after them.

The difference is the lie. They lied about their child’s qualifications and some of them cheated on the ACT. As a parent with a kid with actual learning disabilities, I hate them for cheating and calling into question the accommodation process. My kid tested with acccommodations and it was brutal! It ends up being an almost 5 hour test with one 10 minute break. For a kid who really has to focus to read every word, it’s painful. My kid worked their tail off to get a middling score. That’s what it’s like to be dyslexic and use accommodations, but now everyone seems to think it’s some rich kid work around.

Many successful people want others to view them as, not only successful in themselves, also they are great parents and raise high achieving children as well. So deals under the table that apparently make the children get into elite colleges on their own merits is more preferred than making donations so everyone knows they simply buy the way in for their “dumb” juniors.

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Anonymous wrote:How many kids did he get into Georgetown for 3.5 million? That is a lot of $$. I'm shocked a parent would even pay a bribe for Georgetown. I can't help but think none of this really matters. He should have to pay back all the $ to the state as a fine, but it makes no sense to stick him in jail. Who exactly did he hurt?

He hurt all the GT applicants who would have been admitted if not for those stolen seats secured through bribes.

How could you ever show that someone wasn't admitted because of these bribes? How did it hurt them, in a way that could be compensated in a court of law. Putting this guy in jail is a terrible waste of taxpayer $$.

People should not be punished with jail time unless you can point to a specific victim? That's a very odd system of justice.

Right. How about deterrence value, which is huge for white collar cases. Rich folks are terrified of jail.

It was a waste of time and resources. These parents wrote checks to get their kids into a college. Other parents write larger checks to colleges and their kids get in. One set gets prosecuted the other set gets building named after them.