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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is a communication/marketing major, just graduated.

He has a ton of friends that did the same.

They have various jobs with Discovery, ESPN. They also got jobs as recruiters and jobs in finance.

They learn to think and write.

There is digital media which is interesting… every marketing firm now needs to analyze their digital data.

If she can write technical writing pays well and you don’t have to be technical.

what school

Emerson

Mediocre major at a mediocre school seems very risky, but some people have to gamble.

Lol! Okay, Yea seems like the gamble has paid off for his friends.

He’s in graduate school for free. A few are in England doing a master and the rest have solid jobs.

Some people may get lucky, but on the average looking depressing

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/emerson-college/academic-life/academic-majors/communication-journalism-media/journalism/#:~:text=Salary%20of%20Journalism%20Graduates%20with%20a%20Master's%20Degree,Their%20median%20salary%20is%20%2442%2C650

"Journalism majors who earn their bachelor's degree from Emerson go on to jobs where they make a median salary of $33,900 a year. This is higher than $30,000"

Even with grad degree

"Journalism majors graduating with a master's degree from Emerson make a median salary of $35,000 a year"

None of the jobs I named were journalism.

This is not just for journalism jobs.
This is overall for journalism major graduates from Emerson.
Many of them are stocking at Walmart, serving at restaurants, etc.

The degree is communications. I never mentioned journalism. Are you drunk?

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

“A few exceptions”, yes. Business at most schools is a waste of money and those graduates are managing the local Anthropologie. There are specific business schools that are worthwhile, and it’s a short list.

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is a communication/marketing major, just graduated.

He has a ton of friends that did the same.

They have various jobs with Discovery, ESPN. They also got jobs as recruiters and jobs in finance.

They learn to think and write.

There is digital media which is interesting… every marketing firm now needs to analyze their digital data.

If she can write technical writing pays well and you don’t have to be technical.

what school

Emerson

Mediocre major at a mediocre school seems very risky, but some people have to gamble.

Lol! Okay, Yea seems like the gamble has paid off for his friends.

He’s in graduate school for free. A few are in England doing a master and the rest have solid jobs.

Some people may get lucky, but on the average looking depressing

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/emerson-college/academic-life/academic-majors/communication-journalism-media/journalism/#:~:text=Salary%20of%20Journalism%20Graduates%20with%20a%20Master's%20Degree,Their%20median%20salary%20is%20%2442%2C650

"Journalism majors who earn their bachelor's degree from Emerson go on to jobs where they make a median salary of $33,900 a year. This is higher than $30,000"

Even with grad degree

"Journalism majors graduating with a master's degree from Emerson make a median salary of $35,000 a year"

My god, you’re tiresome. Are you even employed because you’re all over this forum making fun of people who major in what interests them instead of what makes the most money. Are you an unemployed finance bro wannabe?

It's a good information and reality people need to know when making decisions.
That is in fact an important function of this forum.

who says it's "GOOD" information? It's BS and you've been called out several times. not everyone is going to be a lawyer, doctor, dentist, fireman or engineer and what you cannot seem to understand is that most of the world is not and there are jobs that enable those other jobs which pay VERY well. I am not talking about trash people or McDonalds workers. Even the nonprofit sector, if you work your way up to a leadership position, you're making a very comfortable living and working in a mission oriented field. There's a job out there for everyone and all degrees. Some degrees may not directly and clearly relate to the job someone has, but the learning they had along the way to that major has enabled them to be successful in their job.

WTF expected salary for chosen major and career field is not good information?
People like you make the student loan problem a national crisis, and beg for debt forgiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is a communication/marketing major, just graduated.

He has a ton of friends that did the same.

They have various jobs with Discovery, ESPN. They also got jobs as recruiters and jobs in finance.

They learn to think and write.

There is digital media which is interesting… every marketing firm now needs to analyze their digital data.

If she can write technical writing pays well and you don’t have to be technical.

what school

Emerson

Mediocre major at a mediocre school seems very risky, but some people have to gamble.

Lol! Okay, Yea seems like the gamble has paid off for his friends.

He’s in graduate school for free. A few are in England doing a master and the rest have solid jobs.

Some people may get lucky, but on the average looking depressing

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/emerson-college/academic-life/academic-majors/communication-journalism-media/journalism/#:~:text=Salary%20of%20Journalism%20Graduates%20with%20a%20Master's%20Degree,Their%20median%20salary%20is%20%2442%2C650

"Journalism majors who earn their bachelor's degree from Emerson go on to jobs where they make a median salary of $33,900 a year. This is higher than $30,000"

Even with grad degree

"Journalism majors graduating with a master's degree from Emerson make a median salary of $35,000 a year"

My god, you’re tiresome. Are you even employed because you’re all over this forum making fun of people who major in what interests them instead of what makes the most money. Are you an unemployed finance bro wannabe?

It's a good information and reality people need to know when making decisions.
That is in fact an important function of this forum.

who says it's "GOOD" information? It's BS and you've been called out several times. not everyone is going to be a lawyer, doctor, dentist, fireman or engineer and what you cannot seem to understand is that most of the world is not and there are jobs that enable those other jobs which pay VERY well. I am not talking about trash people or McDonalds workers. Even the nonprofit sector, if you work your way up to a leadership position, you're making a very comfortable living and working in a mission oriented field. There's a job out there for everyone and all degrees. Some degrees may not directly and clearly relate to the job someone has, but the learning they had along the way to that major has enabled them to be successful in their job.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi! I know I could get this advice from just the internet but I wanted to see if any of you had any advice suggestions on it. My daughter is interested in possibly marketing and journalism. She thinks marketing is a safer way to go but thinks journalism would be much cooler. What even are jobs in journalism that you can do that allow you to travel and learn and make a difference? Or in marketing? She is looking into what she might want to do in her future and just looking for suggestion. She is outgoing, kind, friendly.

At most schools, marketing is going to be in the college of business and journalism will be in the communications school. Journalism is a pretty narrow focus, and most communications programs are expanding into digital media, public relations, broadcasting, sports management, etc. The focus is really going to depend on the programs offered at each school. I think a double major or hybrid program across the business school and comm school sounds like a great opportunity. Throw a minor in computer science in there and you'll have a winner!

DP, not the one you're responding to. The bold above, and another PP's earlier comment about "I advise students to get a STEM minor" are simplistic.

I suspect a lot of parents on this board, yes, including parents who will insist, "But I hire people and know what I'm talking about," have no real idea of what it takes to get a formal minor in certain subjects at many colleges and universities today. It's not as simple as, "I'll just tack a computer science minor onto my marketing major" or "I'll do some kind of STEM minor with my communications major."

Those are fields where colleges often have very specific sequences of courses for majors AND for minors, and getting minors in STEM or comp sci or many other fields can be challenging--or even impossible, if the student ends up shut out of some courses due to majors getting priority. And if the student doesn't have any real interest in a STEM or comp sci field, the student is burning a lot of classes and credits doing a minor in something he or she may never want to use professionally anyway.

Just going around here telling parents that their kid should simply add a minor, as if that's a simple thing to do, shows a lack of understanding of college right now. My own DC is doing a major plus two minors but that is only becuause DC's college's open curriculum means there are almost no required general education classes, so students can specialize in subjects much earlier. In most universities, that's not necessarily the case. DC has friends at several large universities who have found they can't just "add a STEM minor" because they didn't start the sequence of classes soon enough, or they can't get a seat in the one or two higher-level courses they need, due to demand from majors who need the class.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not pay for my child’s education if they desired to pursue journalism or marketing. Sorry, but I am only paying for high paying professional jobs.

Once again, who do you think runs business? Not STEM majors. This board is so weird that you seem to think no one exists unless they are in IT.
OP, my DH was a journalism major and has had a great career in marketing communications predominately in IT/software industry. Tons of jobs, six figures. That said, I wouldn’t recommend journalism as a major, marketing with a journalism minor sounds like a direct path to Marketing/communications and there are absolutely jobs in that field.

At my multinational company, every senior leader and pretty much every VP has a STEM background. They may have gone on to get an MBA or doubled in a business degree, but they all have the chops to understand our products. Even HR.

Congrats, as I said my DH is a journalism major and has been working for oh 20 years in IT marketing communications in multinational companies from small startups to huge names you know. No STEM degree... guess what, I bet he can describe what your software or technology does to lay people WAY better than you can. The execs in marketing almost never have an IT background as it's an ENTIRELY different skill set. I am in HR and was Head of HR for several IT companies as well as a quant trading firm. Government major, NO STEM.

But you do you. Just stop telling everyone here that you have to have a STEM degree or your working at McDonalds.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not pay for my child’s education if they desired to pursue journalism or marketing. Sorry, but I am only paying for high paying professional jobs.

So is everyone else. But we can't have everyone becoming doctors or lawyers or programmers. Someone has to pick up trash, clean the streets, take your fast food order, drive your Uber, pick up and deliver your fast food order...

Get your kid pick up trash and deliver fast food

Can you imagine a society where 33% are doctors, 33% are layers, and 33% IT? You'll be cleaning up after yourself.

No I can not.
So,
my kid = engineer
your kid = pick up trash

So you’re the PP from earlier with the reading comprehension issues, correct? Not sure I’d count on your kid being smart enough to be an engineer, with those genetics.

Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

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Anonymous wrote:I would not pay for my child’s education if they desired to pursue journalism or marketing. Sorry, but I am only paying for high paying professional jobs.

So is everyone else. But we can't have everyone becoming doctors or lawyers or programmers. Someone has to pick up trash, clean the streets, take your fast food order, drive your Uber, pick up and deliver your fast food order...

And you do not need a degree for that…

Not everyone's cut out to be an MD, a JD, or an engineer. Nor should everyone aspire to be one of those three.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is a communication/marketing major, just graduated.

He has a ton of friends that did the same.

They have various jobs with Discovery, ESPN. They also got jobs as recruiters and jobs in finance.

They learn to think and write.

There is digital media which is interesting… every marketing firm now needs to analyze their digital data.

If she can write technical writing pays well and you don’t have to be technical.

what school

Emerson

Mediocre major at a mediocre school seems very risky, but some people have to gamble.

Lol! Okay, Yea seems like the gamble has paid off for his friends.

He’s in graduate school for free. A few are in England doing a master and the rest have solid jobs.

Some people may get lucky, but on the average looking depressing

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/emerson-college/academic-life/academic-majors/communication-journalism-media/journalism/#:~:text=Salary%20of%20Journalism%20Graduates%20with%20a%20Master's%20Degree,Their%20median%20salary%20is%20%2442%2C650

"Journalism majors who earn their bachelor's degree from Emerson go on to jobs where they make a median salary of $33,900 a year. This is higher than $30,000"

Even with grad degree

"Journalism majors graduating with a master's degree from Emerson make a median salary of $35,000 a year"

My god, you’re tiresome. Are you even employed because you’re all over this forum making fun of people who major in what interests them instead of what makes the most money. Are you an unemployed finance bro wannabe?

It's a good information and reality people need to know when making decisions.
That is in fact an important function of this forum.

OP, is your DD currently doing any kind of high school journalism?

Is she on the school paper staff, school magazine if there is one, student television news--? I'm not clear if she's entering her junior or senior year of HS. Why does journalism interest her at this point? What does she picture herself doing as a journalist? She should ask herself these things. I would suggest that she get involved with some form, any form, of reporting, if she isn't already involved. If she is interested in journalism -- not general "communications" or marketing, but journalism -- she should look at universities with highly regarded undergraduate journalism schools plus grad programs in journalism (the thought being: if the university has a grad program in journalism, its undergrad program is likely to benefit from that too, generally speaking).

I spent two decades in newspaper and magazine journalism, both in print and online, and know people in TV journalism. It's a truly important field and we need more, not fewer, well-trained, serious journalists. If she feels a strong interest in journalism, please encourage her.

Right now, as others have noted above, science journalism is a very good field to get into, as is data-based journalism. Reporters who can interpret data and translate it for the layperson are going to be employable forever. Look at the many reporters who are specializing in things like covering the Covid pandemic--a good example of combining science journalism with the ability to explain data and research to the public.

Journalism is not a super high-paying field until one is at a certain level, in most cases. But if it is your daughter's interest, well, it's absolutely a field where having a passion for the work trumps the so-so pay.

With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.