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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

I’m not shocked at all. But it’s fundamentally anti American to believe that you should impose Christianity on us. It’s literally Amendment numero uno.

Sincerely believing that abortion is infanticide and opposing it for that reason isn't imposing Christianity on anyone, stop making false equivalencies. I know non religious folk, and non Christians that are anti-abortion. There is nothing anti-American about being opposed to abortion on the grounds that one sincerely believes that it is infanticide - according to that perspective banning abortion has nothing to do with violating ones rights any more than banning murder does. If you are unable to empathize with or understand this perspective even if you think its fully wrong, and you have distilled all anti-abortion folks into only Southern, fundamentalist Christians who are literally out to violate women's rights because they get off on that, it is sad but it is not surprising given how divided this country is. Folks on the right do the same thing - view pro abortion folks as blood thirsty / heathen baby killers when in reality most pro abortion folks sincerely believe that it isn't killing a child and it is just a medical procedure and therefore not allowing it is a major rights violation. My point is, have some empathy and understanding for folks from different backgrounds with different life experiences -- although it is easy to fall into the nihilist view that half of your country men are evil and out to get you and trample on your rights, this isn't the actual reality. Most folks on both sides are good human beings who believe what they believe sincerely.

ake this from a fellow pro-choice person who possibly just has different life views / experiences than you -

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

The GOP is a minority party.

Yup. Liberals are the majority. Trump lost the popular vote. The majority of Americans think that abortion should be legal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

In other words, they don't all agree. The far left is not the majority.

Nobody said the far left is the majority.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

+1

People support liberal policies.

The world is appalled at the fascists in America. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-shocked-outraged-saddened-overturning-roe-rcna35253

I'm angry, but not stunned.

As soon as they illegally appointed right wing Catholics to the SC, I knew we were headed toward the Christian Taliban. (Yeah, I'm "hysterical" etc.. etc... yet here we are.)

If we are lucky, the US will just devolve into Northern Ireland during the "Troubles".

OP the average American is not apathetic, it’s shell shocked.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

No, they aren’t. Taken as a whole, the country falls somewhere just right of center.

NP. Abortion rights supporters are the majority. And there are other majorities out there that would challenge any lazy left-right or liberal-conservative dichotomy. But many powerful careers depend on avoiding those majorities-in-waiting.

DP, you’re moving the goal posts. PP made a comment that liberals make a majority, not abortion rights supporters. Indeed, there are both liberals and moderates (including moderates on the right) that support some access to abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

No, they aren’t. Taken as a whole, the country falls somewhere just right of center.

NP. Abortion rights supporters are the majority. And there are other majorities out there that would challenge any lazy left-right or liberal-conservative dichotomy. But many powerful careers depend on avoiding those majorities-in-waiting.

This. A lot of people seems to understand that it has less to do with abortion, and more to do with one's rights to bodily autonomy and privacy. And they don't like that.

I was one who was ok with bans after 12 weeks. Dobbs actually changed my mind, because I see where they are going with it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

No, they aren’t. Taken as a whole, the country falls somewhere just right of center.

NP. Abortion rights supporters are the majority. And there are other majorities out there that would challenge any lazy left-right or liberal-conservative dichotomy. But many powerful careers depend on avoiding those majorities-in-waiting.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for.

I'm a liberal who is shocked. Human existence isn't rocket science. People are just more stupid than i thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

No, they aren’t. Taken as a whole, the country falls somewhere just right of center.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Liberals ARE the majority, they just can’t get it together and the GOP exploits all of the loopholes. Most of the rest of the Western World is horrified by what’s happening here.

In other words, they don't all agree. The far left is not the majority.

People who support abortion are not the far left.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not stunned at all. The Supreme Court did women a grave disservice 50 years ago by establishing a right to an abortion as a right to privacy. The argument was weak, flawed, and gave conservatives a very easy target to go after. For decades conservatives mobilized, organized and strategized. At the same time liberals stupidly thought Roe was settled law or there was no chance that Roe could ever be overturned. Friday was the inevitable outcome.

Bit more than that.

Why revisit the case? It had survived challenges before. Why now? The ink hadn’t even dried on Amy coney Barret swearing in and yet bang they took it and overturned it. They are a partisan court and everyone who isn’t going along for the rise can see it.

Pretty soon gay rights will be gone and birth control. This is oppression and it’s slow and creeping.

Because conservatives were ALWAYS going to revisit the case. The fact that it was sh*tty constitutional law made it even easier to overturn.

Friday was the culmination of years of planning.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

Anyone not stunned is excited to oppress others. I’d be excited to learn how you feel about Clarence Thomas’ invitation for legal challenges of gay rights and contraception in his opinion. Actually, no I wouldn’t. I already know how you feel.

This must be true since you said so.

I’m sure you’ll stand up when they come for gay married couples’ benefits, or for contraception, or even if they try to criminalize gay sex, and you won’t stay silent. If not, then you, yes you, qualify as an oppressor. Women’s health care has been upended. Women with ectopic pregnancies, or who have been raped, are no being opposed by forced birthers, who, yes, are oppressing them. Will you stand up when republicans win in November and pass a federal ban on abortion? Or will you nonchalantly dismiss it all like you are now? It probably doesn’t affect you, so it’s all good.

Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

+1 well said