Anonymous
07/23/2022 19:56
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
I don't see how it's an abortion either. It can't grow into a full term baby.
My insurance classes both as abortions.
Anonymous
07/17/2022 23:48
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:I’m frustrated about the 20 week thing too. I actually do believe that there should be restrictions on late term abortions (unless there are medical reasons), but I can’t understand why they don’t draw the line at 22 weeks so that couples can make the right decision following the anatomy scan.
They either need to find a way to do scans earlier or push back the limit. Right now I think the absolute earliest they can do the anatomy scan is 19 weeks.
If there are any federal protections for abortion, I think they should go until 24 weeks so that women can at least do the scan and have time to take action if they need to.
Not all defects are definitely diagnosed on the 20 week scan which is scheduled no earlier than 20 weeks. If you need further genetic testing, meetings with multiple specialists, additional scans AND genetic counseling. You have to get that all done and back in less than 4 weeks?
Come on now. I knew someone hitting that 24 week deadline hard with a baby that had a tetratoma taking up much of it's small body. It was a big debate about if the baby could survive and if so how disabled would it be. It was not a clear cut decision.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 15:08
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. I miscarried a much-wanted pregnancy due to a massive subchorionic hemorrhage. My OB was worried I would bleed out if left to miscarry on my own, so I had a D&C. This wouldn’t be possible in so many states as of today. A procedure that saved my life would have been illegal. This is NOT UNCOMMON! How do we change the narrative?
Hadn't your baby already passed?
The fetus’s heart often continues to beat while the mother is bleeding.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/07/16/abortion-miscarriage-ectopic-pregnancy-care/
This was exactly how my great aunt died. She was bleeding out but the hospital wouldn't terminate the pregnancy. It's why my mom was raised with her cousins.
So brutal.
DCUM ladies- please go to GW or Washington Hospital Center if you have pregnancy complications! Pick OBs with privileges there. Avoid Georgetown.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 15:05
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. I miscarried a much-wanted pregnancy due to a massive subchorionic hemorrhage. My OB was worried I would bleed out if left to miscarry on my own, so I had a D&C. This wouldn’t be possible in so many states as of today. A procedure that saved my life would have been illegal. This is NOT UNCOMMON! How do we change the narrative?
Hadn't your baby already passed?
The fetus’s heart often continues to beat while the mother is bleeding.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/07/16/abortion-miscarriage-ectopic-pregnancy-care/
This was exactly how my great aunt died. She was bleeding out but the hospital wouldn't terminate the pregnancy. It's why my mom was raised with her cousins.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 14:57
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. I miscarried a much-wanted pregnancy due to a massive subchorionic hemorrhage. My OB was worried I would bleed out if left to miscarry on my own, so I had a D&C. This wouldn’t be possible in so many states as of today. A procedure that saved my life would have been illegal. This is NOT UNCOMMON! How do we change the narrative?
Hadn't your baby already passed?
The fetus’s heart often continues to beat while the mother is bleeding.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/07/16/abortion-miscarriage-ectopic-pregnancy-care/
Yeah, fetal heartbeat was a contributing factor in the case in Ireland that spurred a change in their law. The lady was dealing with an infection and turning septic and the pregnancy was obviously doomed, but there was still a fetal heartbeat, so nothing was done until after the heartbeat had stopped. By that point, it was too late to save the mother.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 11:58
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. I miscarried a much-wanted pregnancy due to a massive subchorionic hemorrhage. My OB was worried I would bleed out if left to miscarry on my own, so I had a D&C. This wouldn’t be possible in so many states as of today. A procedure that saved my life would have been illegal. This is NOT UNCOMMON! How do we change the narrative?
Hadn't your baby already passed?
The fetus’s heart often continues to beat while the mother is bleeding.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/07/16/abortion-miscarriage-ectopic-pregnancy-care/
Anonymous
07/16/2022 11:55
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
Then explain to me why some Catholic hospitals refuse to allow methotrexate as a non-surgical solution for ectopic, and instead wait for there to be threat of tubal rupture, then go the surgical route?
Google it. Plenty of info about this out there. When I had an ectopic, it was diagnosed by my RE, who specifically told me to avoid care at the area Catholic hospital for this very reason.
Don’t just google. Research. Summary: Methotrexate is used by Catholic hospitals. Approved by theologians.
https://www.chausa.org/publications/health-care-ethics-usa/article/winter-2011/catholic-hospitals-and-ectopic-pregnancies
Why are you lying? That document does NOT say that methotrexate is the standard of care in all Catholic hospitals. Instead that document clearly lays out how considerations that have *nothing to do with the woman’s needs* may influence the type of treatment provided in Catholic hospitals. In would never, ever go to a Catholic hospital with a pregnancy complication.
Here’s better information about denials of methotrexate at Catholic hospitals: https://nwlc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ibis_rh_-_nwlc_qualitative_study_report.pdf
Anonymous
07/16/2022 11:38
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Terrifying. I miscarried a much-wanted pregnancy due to a massive subchorionic hemorrhage. My OB was worried I would bleed out if left to miscarry on my own, so I had a D&C. This wouldn’t be possible in so many states as of today. A procedure that saved my life would have been illegal. This is NOT UNCOMMON! How do we change the narrative?
Hadn't your baby already passed?
Anonymous
07/16/2022 10:38
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
I’m frustrated about the 20 week thing too. I actually do believe that there should be restrictions on late term abortions (unless there are medical reasons), but I can’t understand why they don’t draw the line at 22 weeks so that couples can make the right decision following the anatomy scan.
They either need to find a way to do scans earlier or push back the limit. Right now I think the absolute earliest they can do the anatomy scan is 19 weeks.
If there are any federal protections for abortion, I think they should go until 24 weeks so that women can at least do the scan and have time to take action if they need to.
They either need to find a way to do scans earlier or push back the limit. Right now I think the absolute earliest they can do the anatomy scan is 19 weeks.
If there are any federal protections for abortion, I think they should go until 24 weeks so that women can at least do the scan and have time to take action if they need to.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 14:21
Subject: Re:Roe v Wade and TTC
I needed to terminate via D&E at 21 weeks. Reiter Hill and Sibley MFM won't perform the abortion either; they practice at Sibley in DC. I had to go to Washington Hospital Center. My point being even if you're in a state or district that allows abortion past 15 weeks, it's still not that easy to get one. I wish all OBs could perform this procedure. On top of being traumatizing losing a very wanted pregnancy, going to a new doctor and new hospital was scary and stressful on its own.
I have fed govt insurance and it covered everything with a $200 hospital bill copay. My doctor was able to submit paperwork to have BCBS cover it.
I have fed govt insurance and it covered everything with a $200 hospital bill copay. My doctor was able to submit paperwork to have BCBS cover it.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 14:19
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
And no one thinks their ten-year old daughter is going to be the one who is raped and impregnanted. And yet
Not relevant to ectopic pregnancies.
Many women (especially those on their first pregnancy) also don’t think about the fact that you can go from having a perfectly normal, complication-free pregnancy to dealing with life-threatening complications very quickly, and you better hope you are in a place and being treated by people who value you as more than just an incubator. There was an American on her babymoon back in June who had to be evacuated from Malta (a country that has an abortion ban in place) to Spain to receive a life-saving abortion. Savita Halappanavar lost her life due to sepsis and Ireland’s former policies on abortion.
This issue isn’t as cut and dried as many on the pro-life side would like to pretend. The idea that these stories won’t happen here is wishful thinking.
Cool, but you at least admit your commentary re: ectopic pregnancies and catholic hospitals on a TTC board was blatantly false?
That was the information I was given by my RE at the time, based on his experiences at the Catholic hospital in our area. He specifically told me that.
I’ll admit, I was suspicious and went to Google and found numerous stories of women who had been denied methotrexate by physicians in Catholic hospitals, but I guess I didn’t officially “research”.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 14:12
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
And no one thinks their ten-year old daughter is going to be the one who is raped and impregnanted. And yet
Not relevant to ectopic pregnancies.
Many women (especially those on their first pregnancy) also don’t think about the fact that you can go from having a perfectly normal, complication-free pregnancy to dealing with life-threatening complications very quickly, and you better hope you are in a place and being treated by people who value you as more than just an incubator. There was an American on her babymoon back in June who had to be evacuated from Malta (a country that has an abortion ban in place) to Spain to receive a life-saving abortion. Savita Halappanavar lost her life due to sepsis and Ireland’s former policies on abortion.
This issue isn’t as cut and dried as many on the pro-life side would like to pretend. The idea that these stories won’t happen here is wishful thinking.
Cool, but you at least admit your commentary re: ectopic pregnancies and catholic hospitals on a TTC board was blatantly false?
Anonymous
07/14/2022 13:37
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
And no one thinks their ten-year old daughter is going to be the one who is raped and impregnanted. And yet
Not relevant to ectopic pregnancies.
Many women (especially those on their first pregnancy) also don’t think about the fact that you can go from having a perfectly normal, complication-free pregnancy to dealing with life-threatening complications very quickly, and you better hope you are in a place and being treated by people who value you as more than just an incubator. There was an American on her babymoon back in June who had to be evacuated from Malta (a country that has an abortion ban in place) to Spain to receive a life-saving abortion. Savita Halappanavar lost her life due to sepsis and Ireland’s former policies on abortion.
This issue isn’t as cut and dried as many on the pro-life side would like to pretend. The idea that these stories won’t happen here is wishful thinking.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 12:30
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
And no one thinks their ten-year old daughter is going to be the one who is raped and impregnanted. And yet
Not relevant to ectopic pregnancies.
Anonymous
07/14/2022 11:49
Subject: Roe v Wade and TTC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You should also worry about an incomplete miscarriage or an eptopic pregnancy.
Agreed. At the end of the day - zero question about it - doctors will be chilled from helping women in all kinds of dire situations. I would not count on VA doctors to be prepared to help you.
I have been in prolife circles my whole life. No one thinks an ectopic pregnancy or incomplete miscarriage is an abortion. The principle of double effect.
And no one thinks their ten-year old daughter is going to be the one who is raped and impregnanted. And yet