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Anonymous wrote:We moved to a small college city (about 50k locals, grows to about 65k with the state university kids). My DD is on track to be valedictorian of her public HS class. This is not as impressive as it sounds. Almost all kids who are UMC here or a professor kid goes to the local private - the top kids from there go to places like Cornell, Michigan, Wisconsin, not many SLAC since kids here don’t know what Bates/bowdoin/Colby even are. We are sending our kids to public school for a variety of reasons. The top kids from the school (graduating classes of about 250) typically go to the state university honors program or another state university that has tuition reciprocity discounts for our region. DH and I went to fairly highly ranked schools (both non Ivy top 20s) and would love for our daughter to go somewhere like Georgetown, UVA, Hopkins, rice etc. At the end of sophomore year she is ranked number 1 in her class, straight As in honors courses (one A- in freshman math). This has not been hard or challenging for her at all. She’s taking all APs next year and will do the same senior year. It’s too early to say if it will still be manageable to have straight As, but it’s a definite possibility. She is a varsity athlete, but again, this is a random town and sports aren’t competitive - swimming and tennis everyone makes varsity, she won’t be recruited but may be a captain. She also does some very focused community service with the Native American community in our area and volunteers at the college art museum. Would a kid with this profile have a shot at the top 20 colleges now a days? I can say with confidence she would not stand out in the DMV - she was at a private in DC for elementary school - 7th grade and was a very average student. It’s just so much less competitive here I think it was a confidence boost. We’d be fine sending her to the flagship state school as well, but we would love for her to have a top 20 college experience. We will have SAT tutoring and hopefully her scores would be competitive, at least above the median. We are full pay but otherwise not special.

I've seen this similar play out hundreds of times: Your "superstar" kid goes to state flagship, declares pre-med and tells everyone they're going to be a surgeon, and by her second semester she's trying to get into the nursing program because the gunner pre-med kids who went to strong high schools are years ahead of her.

Anonymous wrote:We moved to a small college city (about 50k locals, grows to about 65k with the state university kids). My DD is on track to be valedictorian of her public HS class. This is not as impressive as it sounds. Almost all kids who are UMC here or a professor kid goes to the local private - the top kids from there go to places like Cornell, Michigan, Wisconsin, not many SLAC since kids here don’t know what Bates/bowdoin/Colby even are. We are sending our kids to public school for a variety of reasons. The top kids from the school (graduating classes of about 250) typically go to the state university honors program or another state university that has tuition reciprocity discounts for our region. DH and I went to fairly highly ranked schools (both non Ivy top 20s) and would love for our daughter to go somewhere like Georgetown, UVA, Hopkins, rice etc. At the end of sophomore year she is ranked number 1 in her class, straight As in honors courses (one A- in freshman math). This has not been hard or challenging for her at all. She’s taking all APs next year and will do the same senior year. It’s too early to say if it will still be manageable to have straight As, but it’s a definite possibility. She is a varsity athlete, but again, this is a random town and sports aren’t competitive - swimming and tennis everyone makes varsity, she won’t be recruited but may be a captain. She also does some very focused community service with the Native American community in our area and volunteers at the college art museum. Would a kid with this profile have a shot at the top 20 colleges now a days? I can say with confidence she would not stand out in the DMV - she was at a private in DC for elementary school - 7th grade and was a very average student. It’s just so much less competitive here I think it was a confidence boost. We’d be fine sending her to the flagship state school as well, but we would love for her to have a top 20 college experience. We will have SAT tutoring and hopefully her scores would be competitive, at least above the median. We are full pay but otherwise not special.

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Anonymous wrote:The valedictorian in my son's class went to Yale. This is a MCPS high school that DCUM regularly disparages, and is seen as a negative if you are looking at real estate in the cluster.

The valedictorian in my graduating class in an average, small mid-west town went to Arizona State on a full scholarship, including room & board. He was accepted everywhere he applied, but only Arizona State gave the full package and let him choose his major.

Very selfish and short-sighted decision. You go to Arizona State, you better stay in Arizona or maybe southern California if you want that to pay off. But what good does that do? Another parent at my high school met with Boston College's financial aid office because they only offered a little bit of need-based aid. The Financial Aid person said they could sell their house or take out loans. But the parent really didn't love their kid that much, so they took the state school ride the way your valedictorian did.

Short-sighted.

Anonymous wrote:my nephew and niece (siblings) both valedictorians who live in a fairly small rural town. He went to Yale and then Harvard law, she went to Stanford and dropped out junior year to join a startup.

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She should be able to get to a top 25 as long as she has a good sat score 1500+.

Nope. Plenty of kids with 1600 are rejected from T25 schools every year.

Yes but plenty of those kids come from highly populated metro areas where those stats are very common. This kid has a hook: rural.

how do you know rural is a hook?

Geographic diversity and less competition.

does geographic diversity "count" within states though? i went to a pretty, uh, inadequate high school in rural southern illinois and I'm not sure that counted for anything. Pretty sure I was still competing with the kids from the New Triers and Walter Paytons (i.e., the hyper competitive high schools in the Chicago area) of the state. If anything I feel as though it was probably a disadvantage because my school had no track record of ever sending kids to Ivies or even kids applying to them.

It doesn't, and geographic diversity is always overstated. State flagships, may consider regional diversity, that's the way to play that hand.

+10000. If you live in Wyoming or Alaska, it may be good for something because colleges love to be able to say "we have students from all 50 states!" Otherwise? "Rural" is not a geographic diversity hook, especially if you are rural in a state such as say, Illinois or New York or Pennsylvania that also have highly educated metro areas with a lot of students applying.

It works for UVA instate. Better to be the valedictorian in rural VA than the 15% of Woodson.

obviously, it works for UVA instate because UVA wants diversity amongst it's VA students. It's a state school funded largely by the state, so they need to be inclusive and make sure there are students from all Counties/areas.
But for an out of state school, the school only wants to be able to say "we have students from all 50 states"---where in those states doesn't matter.

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She should be able to get to a top 25 as long as she has a good sat score 1500+.

Nope. Plenty of kids with 1600 are rejected from T25 schools every year.

Yes but plenty of those kids come from highly populated metro areas where those stats are very common. This kid has a hook: rural.

how do you know rural is a hook?

Geographic diversity and less competition.

does geographic diversity "count" within states though? i went to a pretty, uh, inadequate high school in rural southern illinois and I'm not sure that counted for anything. Pretty sure I was still competing with the kids from the New Triers and Walter Paytons (i.e., the hyper competitive high schools in the Chicago area) of the state. If anything I feel as though it was probably a disadvantage because my school had no track record of ever sending kids to Ivies or even kids applying to them.

It doesn't, and geographic diversity is always overstated. State flagships, may consider regional diversity, that's the way to play that hand.

+10000. If you live in Wyoming or Alaska, it may be good for something because colleges love to be able to say "we have students from all 50 states!" Otherwise? "Rural" is not a geographic diversity hook, especially if you are rural in a state such as say, Illinois or New York or Pennsylvania that also have highly educated metro areas with a lot of students applying.

It works for UVA instate. Better to be the valedictorian in rural VA than the 15% of Woodson.

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Anonymous wrote:The valedictorian in my son's class went to Yale. This is a MCPS high school that DCUM regularly disparages, and is seen as a negative if you are looking at real estate in the cluster.

The valedictorian in my graduating class in an average, small mid-west town went to Arizona State on a full scholarship, including room & board. He was accepted everywhere he applied, but only Arizona State gave the full package and let him choose his major.

Very selfish and short-sighted decision. You go to Arizona State, you better stay in Arizona or maybe southern California if you want that to pay off. But what good does that do? Another parent at my high school met with Boston College's financial aid office because they only offered a little bit of need-based aid. The Financial Aid person said they could sell their house or take out loans. But the parent really didn't love their kid that much, so they took the state school ride the way your valedictorian did.

Short-sighted.

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She should be able to get to a top 25 as long as she has a good sat score 1500+.

Nope. Plenty of kids with 1600 are rejected from T25 schools every year.

Yes but plenty of those kids come from highly populated metro areas where those stats are very common. This kid has a hook: rural.

how do you know rural is a hook?

Geographic diversity and less competition.

does geographic diversity "count" within states though? i went to a pretty, uh, inadequate high school in rural southern illinois and I'm not sure that counted for anything. Pretty sure I was still competing with the kids from the New Triers and Walter Paytons (i.e., the hyper competitive high schools in the Chicago area) of the state. If anything I feel as though it was probably a disadvantage because my school had no track record of ever sending kids to Ivies or even kids applying to them.

It doesn't, and geographic diversity is always overstated. State flagships, may consider regional diversity, that's the way to play that hand.

+10000. If you live in Wyoming or Alaska, it may be good for something because colleges love to be able to say "we have students from all 50 states!" Otherwise? "Rural" is not a geographic diversity hook, especially if you are rural in a state such as say, Illinois or New York or Pennsylvania that also have highly educated metro areas with a lot of students applying.

It works for UVA instate. Better to be the valedictorian in rural VA than the 15% of Woodson.

no sh*t sherlock, that's not what people are talking about

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She should be able to get to a top 25 as long as she has a good sat score 1500+.

Nope. Plenty of kids with 1600 are rejected from T25 schools every year.

Yes but plenty of those kids come from highly populated metro areas where those stats are very common. This kid has a hook: rural.

how do you know rural is a hook?

Geographic diversity and less competition.

does geographic diversity "count" within states though? i went to a pretty, uh, inadequate high school in rural southern illinois and I'm not sure that counted for anything. Pretty sure I was still competing with the kids from the New Triers and Walter Paytons (i.e., the hyper competitive high schools in the Chicago area) of the state. If anything I feel as though it was probably a disadvantage because my school had no track record of ever sending kids to Ivies or even kids applying to them.

It doesn't, and geographic diversity is always overstated. State flagships, may consider regional diversity, that's the way to play that hand.

+10000. If you live in Wyoming or Alaska, it may be good for something because colleges love to be able to say "we have students from all 50 states!" Otherwise? "Rural" is not a geographic diversity hook, especially if you are rural in a state such as say, Illinois or New York or Pennsylvania that also have highly educated metro areas with a lot of students applying.

It works for UVA instate. Better to be the valedictorian in rural VA than the 15% of Woodson.

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She should be able to get to a top 25 as long as she has a good sat score 1500+.

Nope. Plenty of kids with 1600 are rejected from T25 schools every year.

Yes but plenty of those kids come from highly populated metro areas where those stats are very common. This kid has a hook: rural.

how do you know rural is a hook?

Geographic diversity and less competition.

does geographic diversity "count" within states though? i went to a pretty, uh, inadequate high school in rural southern illinois and I'm not sure that counted for anything. Pretty sure I was still competing with the kids from the New Triers and Walter Paytons (i.e., the hyper competitive high schools in the Chicago area) of the state. If anything I feel as though it was probably a disadvantage because my school had no track record of ever sending kids to Ivies or even kids applying to them.

It doesn't, and geographic diversity is always overstated. State flagships, may consider regional diversity, that's the way to play that hand.

+10000. If you live in Wyoming or Alaska, it may be good for something because colleges love to be able to say "we have students from all 50 states!" Otherwise? "Rural" is not a geographic diversity hook, especially if you are rural in a state such as say, Illinois or New York or Pennsylvania that also have highly educated metro areas with a lot of students applying.