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Anonymous wrote:You have to toilet train for nighttime, did you just skip that part of the process?

WTF are you talking about? I did nothing to toilet train my kids at night. We toilet trained them, and then they naturally stopped peeing at night. Which is what happens as most bodies mature a bit. For some kids, it's takes a long time. There is no "training", only mitigation straegies. The kid is asleep. It's not a conscious choice that they are making. Shame does not fix it! Surprise!

Thank you. My kid is younger than OPs but I am gearing myself up for being in the same boat because I had nighttime accidents into middle school and pediatrician said there's a strong genetic component.

My parents night trained me, by the way -- I still had nighttime accidents because my body simply would not wake me up to go. My parents absolutely did shame me -- I got used to stripping the bed and washing the sheets myself, making it back up myself, before going to bed, sometimes while my parents angrily watched over me saying stuff like "see, this is what happens, we should all be asleep". Even these "consequences" did not help me. In fact, I feel pretty confident they made it worse because I think in retrospect I was so anxious about sleeping and using the bathroom at night that this went on for years longer than it would have if my parents had simply been understanding and used a different solution.

That’s called bad parenting, do better for your children and nighttime train them the right way. Accidents might still happen but it won’t be every single night and you won’t need pull ups for years on end.

You get that my parents nighttime trained me "right away", right? Like exactly what you are suggesting. And I still had accidents all the time. And as it went on they got frustrated and tried to shame me into not wetting the bed. Which is what happens when people get it in their heads that if a child is wetting the bed past age 3 or 4, it must be a choice they are making and just need to be broken of.

When you tell parents "just train them right away and then they won't have accidents, or not that often, and it will be done," you are setting up parents whose kids will continue to have accidents regularly, for year, for failure. You are telling them "oh you must not have done it right."

What you don't understand is that your kids trained quickly and easily and there were few accidents. Not all parents have your experience. Stop acting like an expert based on your experience with 1-2 kids. It's tiresome.

OP here.

I don't have the slightest idea of how to 'train' DS to not do this. Our youngest simply started staying dry at night about 2 months after we finished daytime potty training, and that was the end of that.

ODS however, sleeps like the dead, and seems to have zero clue of when he's actually peeing. In fact, we found out he pees multiple times each night still. I'm not sure training is something that would be effective for him. He's just a heavy sleeper, and a heavy wetter.

have you ever tried?

I posted above that we trained out son at 3. I only tried it because people on here told me to in order to get him to poop train him. We committed to giving it 2 full weeks of no diapers. It was a pain waking up to change his sheets, but sure enough after 2 weeks he was trained and never wet the bed again. He is now 12 and a very solid sleeper. He didn't even wake up when a fire alarm went off in his room once.

Please stop. You don't know what you are talking about. Your child's body was ready. OP's child's body is not ready. Don't talk about things you don't know anything about.

OP - my child was a heavy sleeper and grew out of this around 7. Hang in there.

how was my child ready? he woke up with a soaking wet diaper every single night. Had I waited for a dry diaper he may still be in on.

Not saying it works for every kid, but I do think that you don't know until you try. Give it 2 weeks.

I also gave the example of my nephew who magically stopped wetting the bed once he was no longer sleeping on the top bunk. Did his genetic suddenly change or maybe he was too lazy to get up when he was on the top bunk.

Anonymous wrote:If the Goodnight are leaking, and your only concern is dealing with wet beds, you need to consider moving up to youth/adult size overnight diapers, OP. They simply hold way more pee than a Goodnight or similar pull up would.

I'd ask your pedi for recommendations.

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And get a plastic mattress cover between layers of the bedsheets. That way you can easily pull off the top wet layer and bottom set of sheets will be dry and you're saving yourself from re-making the bed in the middle of the night.

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Anonymous wrote:What have you tried, OP? Maybe people will stop being rude if you explain what you have tried so far (e.g. bed wetting alarm, commando for one week, etc.)?

Sorry, wasn't in the best mental state as I just finished literally wringing pee out of sheets and PJ's prior to making this thread.

Regarding what we've tried so far. I'd like to think we've tried just about everything, except for medication (which I'm not willing to do, at this point). We've tried:

1.) Limiting/eliminating drinks before bedtime

2.) Multiple bathroom trips before laying down

3.) Waking him in the night to go pee (disaster, never again).

4.) Two different bedwetting alarms (also a disaster, woke up everyone in the house, save for DS)

At this point, I'm honestly just desperate to find some kind of a night pull-up/diaper option that won't leak, and will let us all get a full nights sleep for once, without me having to deal with pee sheets every other morning.

OP, I'm the previous poster whose kid took 2 weeks for the alarm to work. My kid also slept through the alarm--I had to go wake him up every time, get him up, and change him into dry things. The alarm actually never woke him, only the rest of us. But somehow the action of getting up and changing whenever he got wet did something. After about a week, we starting having nights when the alarm didn't go off. So it might work for your kid, too, but you have to give it some time.

I'll repeat: the alarm, which was attached to his shirt and loud enough to wake the dead and also vibrated so hard the bed shook, never woke my son. I had to go in and shake him/ shout and physically lift him up to get him up.

If the Goodnight are leaking, and your only concern is dealing with wet beds, you need to consider moving up to youth/adult size overnight diapers, OP. They simply hold way more pee than a Goodnight or similar pull up would.

I'd ask your pedi for recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to toilet train for nighttime, did you just skip that part of the process?

You have to research stuff before you propose solution, did you just skip that part of the discussion process? https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2014/1015/p560.html

See this part:

“Treatment of primary monosymptomatic enuresis (i.e., the only symptom is nocturnal bed-wetting in a child who has never been dry) begins with counseling the child and parents on effective behavioral modifications.”

That’s my job, I did my training, thanks. I stand behind what I said earlier, start with a good nighttime training program.

You cannot train what is not there. And OP stated she has done the behavioral modifications. ADH may not be being produced in amounts that limit urine production or there may be some other issue going on. It is within normal at 7 to have issues for some kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a bed wetter. Had to grow out of it. Think I was 11. Some was prob anxiety some developmental. It wasnt every night, but most. I slept really deeply as well. We limited liquids at night, mom would wake me up for a night Pre (thank you- sorry mom), I had a plastic sheet under sheets and a thick pad or towel under me. No sleepovers. I really can’t remember what changed things but I think it was mostly time.

I would try working with a therapist if possible and please place your child’s mattress as soon as they’re done bedwetting. My parents didn’t do that and it was shameful to see the stains into my teens. I bought myself a new bed and mattress in high school

That’s supposed to say replace the mattress. Also my pediatrician had me on some kind of anti-depressant early on that did seem to help. I’ll ask my mom what it was and circle back if she remembers. It’s been a very long time and I can’t remember. I wish you all like it’s a tough thing and I hope that he grows out of it soon.

Also there’s no such thing as nighttime potty training. You can help them go to the bathroom in the night but their body still hast to learn how to do it.

Imipramine
Toftanil
Desipramine

They all might be the same thing w some being generic versions… I can’t remember but that’s what my mom recalled. They helped enough for me to try sleep overs.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a bed wetter. Had to grow out of it. Think I was 11. Some was prob anxiety some developmental. It wasnt every night, but most. I slept really deeply as well. We limited liquids at night, mom would wake me up for a night Pre (thank you- sorry mom), I had a plastic sheet under sheets and a thick pad or towel under me. No sleepovers. I really can’t remember what changed things but I think it was mostly time.

I would try working with a therapist if possible and please place your child’s mattress as soon as they’re done bedwetting. My parents didn’t do that and it was shameful to see the stains into my teens. I bought myself a new bed and mattress in high school

That’s supposed to say replace the mattress. Also my pediatrician had me on some kind of anti-depressant early on that did seem to help. I’ll ask my mom what it was and circle back if she remembers. It’s been a very long time and I can’t remember. I wish you all like it’s a tough thing and I hope that he grows out of it soon.

Also there’s no such thing as nighttime potty training. You can help them go to the bathroom in the night but their body still hast to learn how to do it.

Imipramine
Toftanil
Desipramine

They all might be the same thing w some being generic versions… I can’t remember but that’s what my mom recalled. They helped enough for me to try sleep overs.

Mine just outgrew it last year at 11. We tried many things around the age that your son is because we thought if we tried hard enough we could make it happen. After 7 months of non stop trying of alarms, limiting liquids, dream pees, etc, we stopped. Upgraded to Goodnights and waking him to pee before we turned in for the night. Doctor said he was physically fine though small for his age and a deep sleeper.
It was tough to be patient, but both my DH and I used to be bedwetters so we knew there was an end somewhere.
It was extra tough for him as his twin was night- trained at 2 1/2. My DH had also experienced a lot of shaming (knowing my MIL, I can imagine.) In trying to "help" DS, I would catch my DH subtly taunting him. We argued about it, but DH agreed to back off knowing that his upbringing was probably influencing him. At the point that my son's sleep needs decreased slightly and his body physically grew larger, we all knew success was possible. We used the alarm as a transition and then shortly nothing was needed. DS lead the planning on this and it was very smooth.
Good luck on your path

Anonymous wrote:Bedwetters existed long before nighttime diapers, so all these jackasses talking about "training" can stuff it in their piehole. My father, born in 1943, wet the bed until he was about 12. My brother, too, was a bedwetter. It definitely runs in families.

OP, one of my kids was wet at night until about age 8. Then we tried a bedwetting alarm, and it worked! Unlike some PPs, it took about 2 weeks for my son, but eventually it did work. Seriously amazing. You can use it with the nighttime diaper to contain any accidents, just have him wear regular underwear underneath the diaper to make sure the sensor gets wet.

I'm a complete dunce. I'd never thought about trying an alarm WITH a diaper...Brilliant!

DS hasn't woken up in the past to the noise-based alarms (just woke up the rest of the family). But, we were thinking of trying the vibration based alarms, but have been hesitant, because that would still mean dealing with wet beds every morning, if he were wearing underwear.

Thank you!!

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Anonymous wrote:You have to toilet train for nighttime, did you just skip that part of the process?

WTF are you talking about? I did nothing to toilet train my kids at night. We toilet trained them, and then they naturally stopped peeing at night. Which is what happens as most bodies mature a bit. For some kids, it's takes a long time. There is no "training", only mitigation straegies. The kid is asleep. It's not a conscious choice that they are making. Shame does not fix it! Surprise!

Thank you. My kid is younger than OPs but I am gearing myself up for being in the same boat because I had nighttime accidents into middle school and pediatrician said there's a strong genetic component.

My parents night trained me, by the way -- I still had nighttime accidents because my body simply would not wake me up to go. My parents absolutely did shame me -- I got used to stripping the bed and washing the sheets myself, making it back up myself, before going to bed, sometimes while my parents angrily watched over me saying stuff like "see, this is what happens, we should all be asleep". Even these "consequences" did not help me. In fact, I feel pretty confident they made it worse because I think in retrospect I was so anxious about sleeping and using the bathroom at night that this went on for years longer than it would have if my parents had simply been understanding and used a different solution.

That’s called bad parenting, do better for your children and nighttime train them the right way. Accidents might still happen but it won’t be every single night and you won’t need pull ups for years on end.

You get that my parents nighttime trained me "right away", right? Like exactly what you are suggesting. And I still had accidents all the time. And as it went on they got frustrated and tried to shame me into not wetting the bed. Which is what happens when people get it in their heads that if a child is wetting the bed past age 3 or 4, it must be a choice they are making and just need to be broken of.

When you tell parents "just train them right away and then they won't have accidents, or not that often, and it will be done," you are setting up parents whose kids will continue to have accidents regularly, for year, for failure. You are telling them "oh you must not have done it right."

What you don't understand is that your kids trained quickly and easily and there were few accidents. Not all parents have your experience. Stop acting like an expert based on your experience with 1-2 kids. It's tiresome.

OP here.

I don't have the slightest idea of how to 'train' DS to not do this. Our youngest simply started staying dry at night about 2 months after we finished daytime potty training, and that was the end of that.

ODS however, sleeps like the dead, and seems to have zero clue of when he's actually peeing. In fact, we found out he pees multiple times each night still. I'm not sure training is something that would be effective for him. He's just a heavy sleeper, and a heavy wetter.

DP and a couple people mentioned them already - there was some online program and then the bed wetting alarms which have been around forever. Maybe they are worth trying out. It seems a YMMV kind of thing. I know my kid was afraid of walking the short hallway to the dark but didn't tell us that outright for a few years. We had always had a hallway light on but after she finally told us we just started leaving the bathroom light on which shed enough light so she could see down the hallway. We also added a tap on light switch next to her bed so she could turn on the light in her room. Both of these helped out quite a bit. And eventually kids grow out of it. But if you want to try something in the meantime, and your child is interested, there are definitely things you can try.

Bedwetters existed long before nighttime diapers, so all these jackasses talking about "training" can stuff it in their piehole. My father, born in 1943, wet the bed until he was about 12. My brother, too, was a bedwetter. It definitely runs in families.

OP, one of my kids was wet at night until about age 8. Then we tried a bedwetting alarm, and it worked! Unlike some PPs, it took about 2 weeks for my son, but eventually it did work. Seriously amazing. You can use it with the nighttime diaper to contain any accidents, just have him wear regular underwear underneath the diaper to make sure the sensor gets wet.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to toilet train for nighttime, did you just skip that part of the process?

You have to research stuff before you propose solution, did you just skip that part of the discussion process? https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2014/1015/p560.html

See this part:

“Treatment of primary monosymptomatic enuresis (i.e., the only symptom is nocturnal bed-wetting in a child who has never been dry) begins with counseling the child and parents on effective behavioral modifications.”

That’s my job, I did my training, thanks. I stand behind what I said earlier, start with a good nighttime training program.

Anonymous wrote:What have you tried, OP? Maybe people will stop being rude if you explain what you have tried so far (e.g. bed wetting alarm, commando for one week, etc.)?

Sorry, wasn't in the best mental state as I just finished literally wringing pee out of sheets and PJ's prior to making this thread.

Regarding what we've tried so far. I'd like to think we've tried just about everything, except for medication (which I'm not willing to do, at this point). We've tried:

1.) Limiting/eliminating drinks before bedtime

2.) Multiple bathroom trips before laying down

3.) Waking him in the night to go pee (disaster, never again).

4.) Two different bedwetting alarms (also a disaster, woke up everyone in the house, save for DS)

At this point, I'm honestly just desperate to find some kind of a night pull-up/diaper option that won't leak, and will let us all get a full nights sleep for once, without me having to deal with pee sheets every other morning.

I didn't read through this thread, but I empathize entirely. Our son was in pullups until age 8 and then we bought something called Ther-a-pee. It's a pad that activates an alarm at the first drop of moisture. It was the only thing that worked, and it wasn't cheap, but it was cheaper than buying pull ups forever.

Anonymous wrote:I was a bed wetter. Had to grow out of it. Think I was 11. Some was prob anxiety some developmental. It wasnt every night, but most. I slept really deeply as well. We limited liquids at night, mom would wake me up for a night Pre (thank you- sorry mom), I had a plastic sheet under sheets and a thick pad or towel under me. No sleepovers. I really can’t remember what changed things but I think it was mostly time.

I would try working with a therapist if possible and please place your child’s mattress as soon as they’re done bedwetting. My parents didn’t do that and it was shameful to see the stains into my teens. I bought myself a new bed and mattress in high school

That’s supposed to say replace the mattress. Also my pediatrician had me on some kind of anti-depressant early on that did seem to help. I’ll ask my mom what it was and circle back if she remembers. It’s been a very long time and I can’t remember. I wish you all like it’s a tough thing and I hope that he grows out of it soon.

Also there’s no such thing as nighttime potty training. You can help them go to the bathroom in the night but their body still hast to learn how to do it.