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Anonymous wrote:Good. To respond to some of the criticism in this thread:

1) The fee is $500 for the really big vehicles. If it is used for business, that is a reasonable business expense. It's not like the fee is $8,000 or something. If your business cannot afford $500 to register a huge pickup that is needed to haul equipment or whatever, then you probably also cut all kinds of other corners. I don't feel bad for you. Also, many of the people using these large vehicles in DC for work don't even register them in DC because they live and base their businesses out of state. It truly is a minuscule number of businesses that will be impacted by this change and most are in construction and landscaping, both highly lucrative and this cost is totally reasonable. It's not going to put anyone out of business or serve as a true barrier to entry. And it's not like it was previously free to register these vehicles. It's an incremental increase.

2) There is not room for these vehicles in the city. Period. If you want to live somewhere that can accommodate vehicles this size, don't live in the city. They are too big for most parking spaces and garages, they have terrible visibility of pedestrians (of which there are far more in the city), they don't fit down many of DC's residential streets. The only want to make lanes wide enough to accommodate these vehicles in many parts of DC would be to eliminate parking lanes. You really think we should reduce street parking just so someone can comfortable drive a Denali down residential streets? No.

3) The alternative here is to simply ban large vehicles from certain parts of the city where they pose a threat or the infrastructure does not accommodate it. I'd actually be fine with this, but I bed you all would cry about it. This is actually better for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

1. So it is a 240% increase but we shouldn't mind because it's not that expensive? Then why spend so much time intentionally lying about the percentage increase?

2. You make some good points HOWEVER they are all completely undercut by the EV exception and therefore do not apply.

3. That is not the alternative. That is a disengenuous attempt to make it into a false binary.

DP. Percentage increase is a misleading way to frame small numbers. This is "how to lie with statistics" 101.

And how to make yourself look like an untrustworthy fool is to deny when confronted with them. Lying and obviously bs narratives like "safety" do way more harm then just saying yes but it's not that bad because there is a small base. The lie makes every single utterance suspect. The lie makes it look like one is trying to pull one over.

Safety isn't a BS justification; it's the actual reason. EVs are granted an exception for some weight because the council sees increasing the number of electric cars on the road as a good which outweighs the harm of increased vehicle weight. You can disagree with that (I'm on the fence myself) but calling the safety reasoning "PCOS obvious BS" makes it obvious that you're not presenting the issue fairly or reasonably.

The exception clearly means safety is not a serious concern. It also clearly means that safety is not the primary concern or purpose. Safety is nothing but a cover story designed to disengenuously deflect criticism.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. To respond to some of the criticism in this thread:

1) The fee is $500 for the really big vehicles. If it is used for business, that is a reasonable business expense. It's not like the fee is $8,000 or something. If your business cannot afford $500 to register a huge pickup that is needed to haul equipment or whatever, then you probably also cut all kinds of other corners. I don't feel bad for you. Also, many of the people using these large vehicles in DC for work don't even register them in DC because they live and base their businesses out of state. It truly is a minuscule number of businesses that will be impacted by this change and most are in construction and landscaping, both highly lucrative and this cost is totally reasonable. It's not going to put anyone out of business or serve as a true barrier to entry. And it's not like it was previously free to register these vehicles. It's an incremental increase.

2) There is not room for these vehicles in the city. Period. If you want to live somewhere that can accommodate vehicles this size, don't live in the city. They are too big for most parking spaces and garages, they have terrible visibility of pedestrians (of which there are far more in the city), they don't fit down many of DC's residential streets. The only want to make lanes wide enough to accommodate these vehicles in many parts of DC would be to eliminate parking lanes. You really think we should reduce street parking just so someone can comfortable drive a Denali down residential streets? No.

3) The alternative here is to simply ban large vehicles from certain parts of the city where they pose a threat or the infrastructure does not accommodate it. I'd actually be fine with this, but I bed you all would cry about it. This is actually better for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

1. So it is a 240% increase but we shouldn't mind because it's not that expensive? Then why spend so much time intentionally lying about the percentage increase?

2. You make some good points HOWEVER they are all completely undercut by the EV exception and therefore do not apply.

3. That is not the alternative. That is a disengenuous attempt to make it into a false binary.

DP. Percentage increase is a misleading way to frame small numbers. This is "how to lie with statistics" 101.

And how to make yourself look like an untrustworthy fool is to deny when confronted with them. Lying and obviously bs narratives like "safety" do way more harm then just saying yes but it's not that bad because there is a small base. The lie makes every single utterance suspect. The lie makes it look like one is trying to pull one over.

Safety isn't a BS justification; it's the actual reason. EVs are granted an exception for some weight because the council sees increasing the number of electric cars on the road as a good which outweighs the harm of increased vehicle weight. You can disagree with that (I'm on the fence myself) but calling the safety reasoning "PCOS obvious BS" makes it obvious that you're not presenting the issue fairly or reasonably.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. To respond to some of the criticism in this thread:

1) The fee is $500 for the really big vehicles. If it is used for business, that is a reasonable business expense. It's not like the fee is $8,000 or something. If your business cannot afford $500 to register a huge pickup that is needed to haul equipment or whatever, then you probably also cut all kinds of other corners. I don't feel bad for you. Also, many of the people using these large vehicles in DC for work don't even register them in DC because they live and base their businesses out of state. It truly is a minuscule number of businesses that will be impacted by this change and most are in construction and landscaping, both highly lucrative and this cost is totally reasonable. It's not going to put anyone out of business or serve as a true barrier to entry. And it's not like it was previously free to register these vehicles. It's an incremental increase.

2) There is not room for these vehicles in the city. Period. If you want to live somewhere that can accommodate vehicles this size, don't live in the city. They are too big for most parking spaces and garages, they have terrible visibility of pedestrians (of which there are far more in the city), they don't fit down many of DC's residential streets. The only want to make lanes wide enough to accommodate these vehicles in many parts of DC would be to eliminate parking lanes. You really think we should reduce street parking just so someone can comfortable drive a Denali down residential streets? No.

3) The alternative here is to simply ban large vehicles from certain parts of the city where they pose a threat or the infrastructure does not accommodate it. I'd actually be fine with this, but I bed you all would cry about it. This is actually better for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

1. So it is a 240% increase but we shouldn't mind because it's not that expensive? Then why spend so much time intentionally lying about the percentage increase?

2. You make some good points HOWEVER they are all completely undercut by the EV exception and therefore do not apply.

3. That is not the alternative. That is a disengenuous attempt to make it into a false binary.

DP. Percentage increase is a misleading way to frame small numbers. This is "how to lie with statistics" 101.

And how to make yourself look like an untrustworthy fool is to deny when confronted with them. Lying and obviously bs narratives like "safety" do way more harm then just saying yes but it's not that bad because there is a small base. The lie makes every single utterance suspect. The lie makes it look like one is trying to pull one over.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. To respond to some of the criticism in this thread:

1) The fee is $500 for the really big vehicles. If it is used for business, that is a reasonable business expense. It's not like the fee is $8,000 or something. If your business cannot afford $500 to register a huge pickup that is needed to haul equipment or whatever, then you probably also cut all kinds of other corners. I don't feel bad for you. Also, many of the people using these large vehicles in DC for work don't even register them in DC because they live and base their businesses out of state. It truly is a minuscule number of businesses that will be impacted by this change and most are in construction and landscaping, both highly lucrative and this cost is totally reasonable. It's not going to put anyone out of business or serve as a true barrier to entry. And it's not like it was previously free to register these vehicles. It's an incremental increase.

2) There is not room for these vehicles in the city. Period. If you want to live somewhere that can accommodate vehicles this size, don't live in the city. They are too big for most parking spaces and garages, they have terrible visibility of pedestrians (of which there are far more in the city), they don't fit down many of DC's residential streets. The only want to make lanes wide enough to accommodate these vehicles in many parts of DC would be to eliminate parking lanes. You really think we should reduce street parking just so someone can comfortable drive a Denali down residential streets? No.

3) The alternative here is to simply ban large vehicles from certain parts of the city where they pose a threat or the infrastructure does not accommodate it. I'd actually be fine with this, but I bed you all would cry about it. This is actually better for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

1. So it is a 240% increase but we shouldn't mind because it's not that expensive? Then why spend so much time intentionally lying about the percentage increase?

2. You make some good points HOWEVER they are all completely undercut by the EV exception and therefore do not apply.

3. That is not the alternative. That is a disengenuous attempt to make it into a false binary.

DP. Percentage increase is a misleading way to frame small numbers. This is "how to lie with statistics" 101.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. To respond to some of the criticism in this thread:

1) The fee is $500 for the really big vehicles. If it is used for business, that is a reasonable business expense. It's not like the fee is $8,000 or something. If your business cannot afford $500 to register a huge pickup that is needed to haul equipment or whatever, then you probably also cut all kinds of other corners. I don't feel bad for you. Also, many of the people using these large vehicles in DC for work don't even register them in DC because they live and base their businesses out of state. It truly is a minuscule number of businesses that will be impacted by this change and most are in construction and landscaping, both highly lucrative and this cost is totally reasonable. It's not going to put anyone out of business or serve as a true barrier to entry. And it's not like it was previously free to register these vehicles. It's an incremental increase.

2) There is not room for these vehicles in the city. Period. If you want to live somewhere that can accommodate vehicles this size, don't live in the city. They are too big for most parking spaces and garages, they have terrible visibility of pedestrians (of which there are far more in the city), they don't fit down many of DC's residential streets. The only want to make lanes wide enough to accommodate these vehicles in many parts of DC would be to eliminate parking lanes. You really think we should reduce street parking just so someone can comfortable drive a Denali down residential streets? No.

3) The alternative here is to simply ban large vehicles from certain parts of the city where they pose a threat or the infrastructure does not accommodate it. I'd actually be fine with this, but I bed you all would cry about it. This is actually better for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

1. So it is a 240% increase but we shouldn't mind because it's not that expensive? Then why spend so much time intentionally lying about the percentage increase?

2. You make some good points HOWEVER they are all completely undercut by the EV exception and therefore do not apply.

3. That is not the alternative. That is a disengenuous attempt to make it into a false binary.

Anonymous wrote:Good. To respond to some of the criticism in this thread:

1) The fee is $500 for the really big vehicles. If it is used for business, that is a reasonable business expense. It's not like the fee is $8,000 or something. If your business cannot afford $500 to register a huge pickup that is needed to haul equipment or whatever, then you probably also cut all kinds of other corners. I don't feel bad for you. Also, many of the people using these large vehicles in DC for work don't even register them in DC because they live and base their businesses out of state. It truly is a minuscule number of businesses that will be impacted by this change and most are in construction and landscaping, both highly lucrative and this cost is totally reasonable. It's not going to put anyone out of business or serve as a true barrier to entry. And it's not like it was previously free to register these vehicles. It's an incremental increase.

2) There is not room for these vehicles in the city. Period. If you want to live somewhere that can accommodate vehicles this size, don't live in the city. They are too big for most parking spaces and garages, they have terrible visibility of pedestrians (of which there are far more in the city), they don't fit down many of DC's residential streets. The only want to make lanes wide enough to accommodate these vehicles in many parts of DC would be to eliminate parking lanes. You really think we should reduce street parking just so someone can comfortable drive a Denali down residential streets? No.

3) The alternative here is to simply ban large vehicles from certain parts of the city where they pose a threat or the infrastructure does not accommodate it. I'd actually be fine with this, but I bed you all would cry about it. This is actually better for you. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of vehicles are we talking about? Minivans? F150s? I have a family of 5 plus my mom lives with us. We don’t fit in a 5 seater.

Any vehicle over 3500 lbs pays 240% the registration fee and it escalates much higher from there.

The 2023 budget the D.C. Council approved includes a provision that raises the annual registration fee for most vehicles. The provision would take effect in 2024.

Owners of vehicles that weigh more than 6,000 pounds will have to pay $500 per year. That's more than triple the $155 that those owners currently pay.

Fees will jump from $155 to $250 for vehicles that are more than 5,000 pounds.
Vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 5,000 pounds will go from $115 to $175.

D.C. will not raise the $72 fee, however, for cars weighing 3,500 pounds or less.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-vehicle-registration-will-more-than-triple-for-some-suvs-trucks-by-2024/3063961/

Lol oh look more crazy right wing lies.

God you’re stupid. Cannot even do basic math.

Let me make it simple for you. What is the difference between $72 and $175?

You have no idea how much it cost to register a car in DC do you? You really are stupid. Cars under 3,500 will pay $75. This is the same as before. Cars from 3,500 to 5,000 will go from 115 to 175. Wow just wow crazy right! What a nothing burgers.

Maybe I should be kinder because you clearly don’t have even a 6th grade education. 175 is 240% of 72. Get it now?

If you pass the 3500 pound threshold, you will pay 240% more than if the vehicle is under 3,500. Unless you drive an EV. Then you get a free 1,000 lbs because the people who wrote this legislation know a lot of people who own EVs and don’t know anyone who owns light trucks. There also is an implied premise that “virtue” of an EV outweighs the safety hazards due to the weight and apparently there is nothing important or virtuous about owning a light truck, like a person that works with their hands.

Do you understand now or do I need to explain it again but slower?

No you are just an idiot. You make up “facts” and you really have no idea what you are posting about. You do not live in DC do you? Oh the injustice of DC increasing car registration fees by $60! Oh the injustice of encouraging ownership of an EV by offering $100 reduction in registration! Do you know how much a car cost? It will blow your mind! Here is something that will piss you off EV in DC do not pay taxes and tags! Also the feds give you $7500 off your taxes and DC gives you $1,500 off tax to install a charge station.


Let’s look at MD registration last raised in 2013
car up 3700 pound $135
car over 3700 pound $187


Virginia 4,000 pounds $30.75, 4,000 pounds and 6,500 pounds, $35.75 to renew. Wow how unfair charging people 15% more for heavier cars!

Oh looks like there will be an increase coming your way soon!

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Anonymous wrote:Public policy interest in encouraging adoption of electric vehicles and a move away from gas-powered vehicles. Classic use of the power of the purse to drive behavior.

Then call it what it is and dispense with the bull about safety or wear and tear on the roads.

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Anonymous wrote:This won't affect the rich and wealthy as DC would like to so righteously pompous proclaim. This will only affect small businesses, large families and those who use their large cars for Uber/Lyft purposes. Thus, affecting the poor. DC is so self-righteously stupid, that's it's hard to watch from suburban sidelines.

Oh please. Lets not.pretend the working poor can afford those tricked out Denalis and Escalades.

The Ford F-250, which is cited in the article and certainly no one’s definition of “tricked out” retails at a base model for $41,485.

The fact that you lie to cover up what you are doing speaks to the fact that you know it’s wrong. Otherwise you wouldn’t be lying about it.

Other vehicles over 6,000 pounds include the Ford Explorer and the Honda Odyssey.

Every thing that liberals like Cheh and her supporters like you do hates middle class families. The fact that you lie about is the icing on the cake.

Yeah no. The Odyssey is around 4000 lbs. I checked.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of vehicles are we talking about? Minivans? F150s? I have a family of 5 plus my mom lives with us. We don’t fit in a 5 seater.

Any vehicle over 3500 lbs pays 240% the registration fee and it escalates much higher from there.

The 2023 budget the D.C. Council approved includes a provision that raises the annual registration fee for most vehicles. The provision would take effect in 2024.

Owners of vehicles that weigh more than 6,000 pounds will have to pay $500 per year. That's more than triple the $155 that those owners currently pay.

Fees will jump from $155 to $250 for vehicles that are more than 5,000 pounds.
Vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 5,000 pounds will go from $115 to $175.

D.C. will not raise the $72 fee, however, for cars weighing 3,500 pounds or less.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-vehicle-registration-will-more-than-triple-for-some-suvs-trucks-by-2024/3063961/

Lol oh look more crazy right wing lies.

God you’re stupid. Cannot even do basic math.

Let me make it simple for you. What is the difference between $72 and $175?

You have no idea how much it cost to register a car in DC do you? You really are stupid. Cars under 3,500 will pay $75. This is the same as before. Cars from 3,500 to 5,000 will go from 115 to 175. Wow just wow crazy right! What a nothing burgers.

Maybe I should be kinder because you clearly don’t have even a 6th grade education. 175 is 240% of 72. Get it now?

If you pass the 3500 pound threshold, you will pay 240% more than if the vehicle is under 3,500. Unless you drive an EV. Then you get a free 1,000 lbs because the people who wrote this legislation know a lot of people who own EVs and don’t know anyone who owns light trucks. There also is an implied premise that “virtue” of an EV outweighs the safety hazards due to the weight and apparently there is nothing important or virtuous about owning a light truck, like a person that works with their hands.

Do you understand now or do I need to explain it again but slower?

No you are just an idiot. You make up “facts” and you really have no idea what you are posting about. You do not live in DC do you? Oh the injustice of DC increasing car registration fees by $60! Oh the injustice of encouraging ownership of an EV by offering $100 reduction in registration! Do you know how much a car cost? It will blow your mind! Here is something that will piss you off EV in DC do not pay taxes and tags! Also the feds give you $7500 off your taxes and DC gives you $1,500 off tax to install a charge station.


Let’s look at MD registration last raised in 2013
car up 3700 pound $135
car over 3700 pound $187


Virginia 4,000 pounds $30.75, 4,000 pounds and 6,500 pounds, $35.75 to renew. Wow how unfair charging people 15% more for heavier cars!

Oh looks like there will be an increase coming your way soon!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What kind of vehicles are we talking about? Minivans? F150s? I have a family of 5 plus my mom lives with us. We don’t fit in a 5 seater.

Any vehicle over 3500 lbs pays 240% the registration fee and it escalates much higher from there.

The 2023 budget the D.C. Council approved includes a provision that raises the annual registration fee for most vehicles. The provision would take effect in 2024.

Owners of vehicles that weigh more than 6,000 pounds will have to pay $500 per year. That's more than triple the $155 that those owners currently pay.

Fees will jump from $155 to $250 for vehicles that are more than 5,000 pounds.
Vehicles weighing between 3,500 and 5,000 pounds will go from $115 to $175.

D.C. will not raise the $72 fee, however, for cars weighing 3,500 pounds or less.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-vehicle-registration-will-more-than-triple-for-some-suvs-trucks-by-2024/3063961/

Lol oh look more crazy right wing lies.

God you’re stupid. Cannot even do basic math.

Let me make it simple for you. What is the difference between $72 and $175?

You have no idea how much it cost to register a car in DC do you? You really are stupid. Cars under 3,500 will pay $75. This is the same as before. Cars from 3,500 to 5,000 will go from 115 to 175. Wow just wow crazy right! What a nothing burgers.

Maybe I should be kinder because you clearly don’t have even a 6th grade education. 175 is 240% of 72. Get it now?

If you pass the 3500 pound threshold, you will pay 240% more than if the vehicle is under 3,500. Unless you drive an EV. Then you get a free 1,000 lbs because the people who wrote this legislation know a lot of people who own EVs and don’t know anyone who owns light trucks. There also is an implied premise that “virtue” of an EV outweighs the safety hazards due to the weight and apparently there is nothing important or virtuous about owning a light truck, like a person that works with their hands.

Do you understand now or do I need to explain it again but slower?

Anonymous wrote:Public policy interest in encouraging adoption of electric vehicles and a move away from gas-powered vehicles. Classic use of the power of the purse to drive behavior.