Anonymous wrote:Pretty much none of the folks I know had remotely elite undergrad education, and still ended up as physicians. Cousin went to CUNY. Niece went to UFl. Kid’s swim teacher was homeschooled, went to Mason, and Hopkins. A very good friend also went to CUNY, MD-Ph.D, and is renowned in her field.

Funny, just joining to report that on the medical school counseling page of one of the CUNY undergraduate schools, I saw a number of bios of recent grads who were admitted to medical school. Med schools ranged from SUNY to local NYC (Cornell, Einstein), to various other public, to Harvard. What was interesting was that all of these young people had great GPAs, but also impressive commitment to research and/or volunteer work in various NYC institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:It's very understandable why people want to delude themselves into believing this. But still. Come on.

Are you a doctor or lawyer?

No, just a humble troll

LOL. A noble profession.

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Anonymous wrote:I would guess it's more likely for med school because pre-reqs and MCATS are very objective data on which they can determine likely success in medical school. Law school is probably much more subjective and very much driven by prestige.

It is very driven by LSAT score.

Yes - speaking as a lawyer, the irony of law school admissions is that it’s so incredibly and objectively stats-based with the combo of GPA and LSAT score. This is much more so than undergrad admissions. The most subjective schools beyond GPA/LSAT are the very top ones (Harvard, Yale, Stanford), but it’s otherwise a pretty direct line between stats and admissions virtually everywhere else.

To the extent that grads from top undergrad schools are overrepresented in top law schools, it’s really more that those people are overrepresented among top standardized test takers in general (including the LSAT and MCAT) as opposed to the fact that they attended those particular undergrad schools themselves.

Where's the irony? I don't find it that different than undergrad.

Anonymous wrote:yes, it is more than possible. AOs want to see high GPAs and high MCATs along with other things. if you can get a better GPA at university of bedrock along with a high MCAT, you are well positioned for med school.

you snooty DCUMers can scoff all you want to try to justify your over paying for college, but it is true.

You protest too much. I am one of the PPs here. Did not overpay for college. DS went instate to WM before med school. I’m agreeing though that AP classes and scores, SATs, and high MCATs all correlate with doing well in med school (and in getting into a competitive residency). Of course people come from all schools – but they are at the very top of all of their schools and have top SATs and MCATs.

yes, it is more than possible. AOs want to see high GPAs and high MCATs along with other things. if you can get a better GPA at university of bedrock along with a high MCAT, you are well positioned for med school.

you snooty DCUMers can scoff all you want to try to justify your over paying for college, but it is true.

A lot of these posts are really silly. Applicants aren’t getting into med schools and law schools because of where they went to college. But it’s obvious that some colleges have rounded up high numbers of the top talent. So, those same colleges are going to be over represented in med schools and law schools. Research has shown, however, that the same kids who opted for State U after being accepted to an Ivy or Ivy+ do just as well in the long run.The cream rises to the top regardless of what college those students attend. It’s amazing that people claim otherwise?

Everyone understands that the top football and basketball factories send the most ball players to the pros because they got the best talent coming out of high school in the first place. But when the exceptional kid like Steph Curry picks Davidson over Duke or North Carolina, he still goes to the NBA when he enters the draft regardless. Whe would it be any different for scientists and lawyers?

Pretty much none of the folks I know had remotely elite undergrad education, and still ended up as physicians. Cousin went to CUNY. Niece went to UFl. Kid’s swim teacher was homeschooled, went to Mason, and Hopkins. A very good friend also went to CUNY, MD-Ph.D, and is renowned in her field.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about law, but I know medicine. OP's statement is misleading. If you go to a 3rd tier school because this is all you could do with a 1200 SAT, easy high school classes, and mediocre grades, you will not get into med school. If you go to Univ of DE as a valedictorian with 1550 SAT because your parents didn't want to pay for Yale, although you got into Yale, then you have a high probability to be admitted. Also do not look at the older generation for admissions. My FIL and my H are cardiologists and our DS1 is in med school. DC1 had to work 3 times harder than his dad to get admitted. My FIL waltzed into med school.

Your stories are a lot more misleading than OPs. The 1200 SAT, third tier school student will get into a top med/law school if they take college seriously and have a high undergrad GPA and prep for and get high scores on MCAT/LSAT

Someone who scores 1200 on SAT will not have a high MCAT score, sorry. There is a positive correlation between the SAT and MCAT. There's also a correlation between the Reading Comprehension of the SAT and the MCAT CARS, so having a high Math SAT score is not enough.

This. (Sure! Some rando could have a 1200 SAT and then kill it on the MCAT – that’s just really unusual. but if that’s your situation – go for it.)

Anything is possible if you rely on many "IFs"... If this, if that...Sadly that's not how life works.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about law, but I know medicine. OP's statement is misleading. If you go to a 3rd tier school because this is all you could do with a 1200 SAT, easy high school classes, and mediocre grades, you will not get into med school. If you go to Univ of DE as a valedictorian with 1550 SAT because your parents didn't want to pay for Yale, although you got into Yale, then you have a high probability to be admitted. Also do not look at the older generation for admissions. My FIL and my H are cardiologists and our DS1 is in med school. DC1 had to work 3 times harder than his dad to get admitted. My FIL waltzed into med school.

I do not believe this true. My child mentioned above who got into nine med schools from UDC didn't even graduate from high school. Got a GED.

You are trolling. GED admitted to 9 med schools? In the US? Nope.

They wouldn’t even know! Nor would it matter. If anything, killing the mcats and having an excellent college gpa after a ged is more impressive.

Your high school info is not in your med school application. Also tons of homeschooled teens get a ged and there are plenty of former homeschool students in med school.

PP here. Med school applications ask nothing about high school. So, a GED is fine.

My child was not a hardworking homeschooler but a heavy socializer with indifferent grades. Didn't finish high school because of a prolonged illness. But as soon as they were able they took the GED over a summer, demanded to go to college immediately (UDC only option at that point), and put their all into getting into med school. And against modern trends did all the volunteering, shadowing, and applying in time to attend med school directly after college.

This is why I love America; it is the land of second, third, and however many chances.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about law, but I know medicine. OP's statement is misleading. If you go to a 3rd tier school because this is all you could do with a 1200 SAT, easy high school classes, and mediocre grades, you will not get into med school. If you go to Univ of DE as a valedictorian with 1550 SAT because your parents didn't want to pay for Yale, although you got into Yale, then you have a high probability to be admitted. Also do not look at the older generation for admissions. My FIL and my H are cardiologists and our DS1 is in med school. DC1 had to work 3 times harder than his dad to get admitted. My FIL waltzed into med school.

Your stories are a lot more misleading than OPs. The 1200 SAT, third tier school student will get into a top med/law school if they take college seriously and have a high undergrad GPA and prep for and get high scores on MCAT/LSAT

Someone who scores 1200 on SAT will not have a high MCAT score, sorry. There is a positive correlation between the SAT and MCAT. There's also a correlation between the Reading Comprehension of the SAT and the MCAT CARS, so having a high Math SAT score is not enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about law, but I know medicine. OP's statement is misleading. If you go to a 3rd tier school because this is all you could do with a 1200 SAT, easy high school classes, and mediocre grades, you will not get into med school. If you go to Univ of DE as a valedictorian with 1550 SAT because your parents didn't want to pay for Yale, although you got into Yale, then you have a high probability to be admitted. Also do not look at the older generation for admissions. My FIL and my H are cardiologists and our DS1 is in med school. DC1 had to work 3 times harder than his dad to get admitted. My FIL waltzed into med school.

I do not believe this true. My child mentioned above who got into nine med schools from UDC didn't even graduate from high school. Got a GED.

You are trolling. GED admitted to 9 med schools? In the US? Nope.

They wouldn’t even know! Nor would it matter. If anything, killing the mcats and having an excellent college gpa after a ged is more impressive.

Your high school info is not in your med school application. Also tons of homeschooled teens get a ged and there are plenty of former homeschool students in med school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about law, but I know medicine. OP's statement is misleading. If you go to a 3rd tier school because this is all you could do with a 1200 SAT, easy high school classes, and mediocre grades, you will not get into med school. If you go to Univ of DE as a valedictorian with 1550 SAT because your parents didn't want to pay for Yale, although you got into Yale, then you have a high probability to be admitted. Also do not look at the older generation for admissions. My FIL and my H are cardiologists and our DS1 is in med school. DC1 had to work 3 times harder than his dad to get admitted. My FIL waltzed into med school.

I do not believe this true. My child mentioned above who got into nine med schools from UDC didn't even graduate from high school. Got a GED.

You are trolling. GED admitted to 9 med schools? In the US? Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:I would guess it's more likely for med school because pre-reqs and MCATS are very objective data on which they can determine likely success in medical school. Law school is probably much more subjective and very much driven by prestige.

It is very driven by LSAT score.

I worked in law school ad missions for a while for a top fourteen. It’s driven by the LSAT, the GPA, but also the prestige level of the school. You absolutely need a higher gpa if you are coming from East boonf*$k State than you do if you are coming from, say, Amherst, Williams, Yale, Wesleyan, Vassar, etc.

Right, but this doesn't hold true for med school, because that field is generally smarter and less insecure and knows that the data-namely MCAT--reveals what they need to know about prospective students, not the prestige of the undergrad.

Agreed. Med school admissions are not driven by undergrad prestige. AT ALL. As they shouldn't be.
If you can rock the MCAT, you can get in to Harvard or Hopkins from Northwest Central Southwest Arkansas State.

I just returned from my niece's graduation from Emory Medical School. She went to a state school known more for football and its Greek party life than academics for undergrad, but kept her eye on the prize. She did not graduate top of her class, but crushed the MCATs. She got matched with one of the few residencies for cardiac surgery in the nation. So....hard work and great MCATs, for her, made the difference.

May not be the rule but it does happen.

Anonymous wrote:I don't know anything about law, but I know medicine. OP's statement is misleading. If you go to a 3rd tier school because this is all you could do with a 1200 SAT, easy high school classes, and mediocre grades, you will not get into med school. If you go to Univ of DE as a valedictorian with 1550 SAT because your parents didn't want to pay for Yale, although you got into Yale, then you have a high probability to be admitted. Also do not look at the older generation for admissions. My FIL and my H are cardiologists and our DS1 is in med school. DC1 had to work 3 times harder than his dad to get admitted. My FIL waltzed into med school.

Your stories are a lot more misleading than OPs. The 1200 SAT, third tier school student will get into a top med/law school if they take college seriously and have a high undergrad GPA and prep for and get high scores on MCAT/LSAT