Anonymous wrote:The ableism in this thread is unreal.

Not really. My kid is in constant pain. Doesn’t get extra time, because no processing issues. But plenty of kids who work the system and need if less get it.

My DD has no accommodations for the SAT (which is skewed in boys favor) and says if she had maybe 15 more minutes she could get to the last 6 or so items. What's the big rush, anyway? Some like to think a bit on some fairly obtuse questions.. Race to nowhere indeed. So she gets a lower score.

The ableism in this thread is unreal.

Sadly my kid’s experience at GMU was zero help from professors and staff in how to get accommodations. Kid had an unexpected and severe mental health issue. Massive ADHD and executive function problems. Kid just didn’t know what to do. School was zero help, just busy looking for disability cheaters.

Kid getting back to normal now, but we are leaving school.

Anonymous wrote:My issue is not with kids who have conditions that genuinely mean they need extra time.

My issue is with the fact that the procedures one must undertake to be given extra time on the tests are significantly more likely to sought/requested/pushed for by wealthy white parents. And over the past 10 years or so, I’ve seen that it is now significantly easier to get the extra time you want for your child, to the extent that I think there are many kids who technically don’t have one of the original conditions or circumstances extra time was meant to address.

I’m a high school teacher and am vaguely sickened by the fact that our principal proudly tells parents and teachers that “our counsellor knows all the back doors to making sure we get extra time.” It is a rigged system and I know the same “support” is not given to poor kids at public schools with parents who don’t know or care how to request and push for the accommodations.

Wow at my kid's very large public school it's the same small group of kids getting the accommodations and it is a diverse and small group.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens when these kids make it through college (presumably with accommodations) and then enter the working world? I'm not aware of employers making accommodations.

+1

My spouse and I put away thoughts of a large donation to the college our kid attends because the acting director of kid's field of study said this very thing about kid's accommodations. This professor attended one of the best schools in the nation and has a phd in kid's chosen field of study. This highly educated professor is so ignorant and her belief that kids like ours should not be in "her" school is so strong, that we no longer support the school. We wish the kid had chosen a different college. Kid was accepted to much better schools but loved how much they made the kid feel like a part of the school prior to making the decision to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:People see it as unfair because of parents who game the system without a real need for the child but for unfair advantage. It’s a regular scam, often used for athletes but not limited to them.

This is the problem with it. I don't think people are upset with kids getting extra time who legitimately need extra time. It is akin to parking in a handicapped spot when you don't have a real need for it, but you nevertheless have a handicapped hangtag. You're permitted to do so, but you're not who it is intended for and your ability to game the system frustrates others.

(And I hope you know by "you" I don't mean you, personally.

You can't be the judge who legitimately needs the accommodation. I have a bright kid with multiple disabilities. Child is brilliant in many subjects but has significant disabilities that aren't apparent to someone on the outside. One of the moms of my dc's friend is an absolute batch to me about this. She has a speech impediment and thinks she is an expert on disabilities. She is an ignorant fool who is wise enough to be careful what she says to me. I'm fed up with ignorant jerks.

Anonymous wrote:What happens when these kids make it through college (presumably with accommodations) and then enter the working world? I'm not aware of employers making accommodations.

Every single time this subject comes up this useless comment comes up. Do you work at Starbucks pp? Not everyone has to do things on a dime. Work places are adapting and aren't all completely competitive with sharks eating their own. Check out the new world grandpa.

I TA'd organic chemistry at an elite university and was asked to proctor the room with the students who received extra time. It was a three hour exam, so the extra time students got 9-12 hours to take the exam (either 3x or 4x). It was ridiculously too long.

Students without extra time worked diligently and typically finished around the 2 or 2.5 hour mark before going back to check their work. Students in the extra time room typically finished around the 3 hour mark, but then would dither for hours and hours, asking to get drinks of water, trips to the bathroom, and staring at the wall. Absolutely no one was getting more points by hour 6 or 8. These were pre-meds at an elite university--even with learning disabilities they process fast enough to finish without so many hours of extra time, or else they were so drained they were just done.

I don't think it gives the right idea that they should have essentially endless time. It removes all focus. The extended time should be shorter so students work diligently and need to be smart in how they approach the problems. An extra hour on a three hour exam? Sure. An extra 9 hours? No way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happens when these kids make it through college (presumably with accommodations) and then enter the working world? I'm not aware of employers making accommodations.

Then you're not very bright. They do.

Mine don’t.

yeah but gas pumps aren't that hard to work.

I know all these parents are posting in earnest, and when I was growing up tons of kids got extra time who did not actually need extra time. They talked about it openly and knew they were gaming the system, including my DH. It’s hard to take it seriously and sure, some kids really need it but many kids know exactly what they are doing and either their parents play along or truly think their kid has a learning disability.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens when these kids make it through college (presumably with accommodations) and then enter the working world? I'm not aware of employers making accommodations.

They won’t need them. They will choose careers where hyper focus is an asset and creativity is valued and time is fluid. They will have staff and secretaries[b] and they will not be alone in a room for three hours fighting against a clock. Gosh, it’s almost as if you don’t know what you are talking about.

Lol, OK. They’ll finish college and immediately walk into a job with supporting “staff and secretaries.” Right.

And your use of the word “secretary” shows how outdated your ideas are in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:What happens when these kids make it through college (presumably with accommodations) and then enter the working world? I'm not aware of employers making accommodations.

Then you're not very bright. They do.

Mine don’t.

My issue is not with kids who have conditions that genuinely mean they need extra time.

My issue is with the fact that the procedures one must undertake to be given extra time on the tests are significantly more likely to sought/requested/pushed for by wealthy white parents. And over the past 10 years or so, I’ve seen that it is now significantly easier to get the extra time you want for your child, to the extent that I think there are many kids who technically don’t have one of the original conditions or circumstances extra time was meant to address.

I’m a high school teacher and am vaguely sickened by the fact that our principal proudly tells parents and teachers that “our counsellor knows all the back doors to making sure we get extra time.” It is a rigged system and I know the same “support” is not given to poor kids at public schools with parents who don’t know or care how to request and push for the accommodations.

Anonymous wrote:What happens when these kids make it through college (presumably with accommodations) and then enter the working world? I'm not aware of employers making accommodations.

Then you're not very bright. They do.