So where do the unhooked kids from Maret end up attending?

Anonymous wrote:Re the athletic hook, this year my DC's "big 3" there is NO overlap between the students who are recruited athletes and the students who are graduating "cum laude" (the top 20% of the class).

So your Big 3 doesn't teach particularly well. That is to be expected.

If u think big 3 are bad, Maret is an abomination. As in, people wouldn’t apply if they knew the results.

Anonymous wrote:Re the athletic hook, this year my DC's "big 3" there is NO overlap between the students who are recruited athletes and the students who are graduating "cum laude" (the top 20% of the class).

Colleges define “hooks” based on what they want. I have no dog in this fight (my DCs are all unhooked). I understand your frustration with the college admissions process but it’s wrong to throw shade at “hooked” applicants using bits and pieces of information you may have about them.

BTW cum laude at my DCs Big 3 isn’t a very good measuring stick to assess who “deserved” to get in somewhere and who didn’t. It’s based on 2.5/4 years worth of grades, includes coursework taken elsewhere (which isn’t included on the official transcripts) and doesn’t differentiate between difficulty of coursework taken (no weighted grades). Same goes for the valedictorian (only based on 2 yrs of grades). The school chooses how to award honors with the criteria they want - just as colleges assess applicants using whatever formula they want to use. Neither is more “fair” than the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

My son has a different take. He used to tutor a kid early in high school who was admitted to an Ivy for sports. My kid, the tutor, would not get into an Ivy (despite 1550 SAT, highest rigor, and high grades) but this kid did for sports. Based on DS’ interactions with the recruit, he is pretty sure his stats are on the lower side and knows he takes easier classes.

Fwiw, my kid recognizes the athletic talent of this kid, which is worth something too. And, he is happy for his success. But the system seems a bit out of whack when a kid who is smart enough to teach the other kids, can’t even get a look from the same schools.

What else did he bring besides being "smarter?"

NP. Even students with non-athletic extracurriculars like music, chess, robotics are shut out. Sports are king apparently. No wonder parents push their kids so much from a young age.

I have lower school but the grooming is real. Kids in fencing since age 5, cello since age 4, goalie camps for soccer or lax since age 6, math tutors every year, soccer year round.

Oh and activism, that has to be a given for Ivy League now. It good enough to volunteer, you must lead protests, challenge authority, fight for what’s right.

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Anonymous wrote:You do realize that the majority of the girls at NCS are there because they had/have a hook. And now you’re complaining that same gravy train you rode in on is now leaving the station without you.

LOL. I could not help but laugh at this post. It is so on point.

+1

I don't know about all the Ivies but Dartmouth has SIGNIFICANTLY easier admissions for lacrosse and basketball. The outliers are very obvious on our Big 5 school Naviance.

Sorry for the typo -- "at my DC's Big Three"

Re the athletic hook, this year my DC's "big 3" there is NO overlap between the students who are recruited athletes and the students who are graduating "cum laude" (the top 20% of the class).

Anonymous wrote:I was admitted to HYPS on so-called "academic merit" and you know what? Many of the recruited athletes in my classes were getting just as good if not better grades than me. They have elite work ethic and time management skills so don't sound surprised that it often spills over to studying too. Stop it with the stereotypes.

No one is stereotyping! You need to read these full threads. please don't comment on something if you haven't read the whole exchange.

I was admitted to HYPS on so-called "academic merit" and you know what? Many of the recruited athletes in my classes were getting just as good if not better grades than me. They have elite work ethic and time management skills so don't sound surprised that it often spills over to studying too. Stop it with the stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

My son has a different take. He used to tutor a kid early in high school who was admitted to an Ivy for sports. My kid, the tutor, would not get into an Ivy (despite 1550 SAT, highest rigor, and high grades) but this kid did for sports. Based on DS’ interactions with the recruit, he is pretty sure his stats are on the lower side and knows he takes easier classes.

Fwiw, my kid recognizes the athletic talent of this kid, which is worth something too. And, he is happy for his success. But the system seems a bit out of whack when a kid who is smart enough to teach the other kids, can’t even get a look from the same schools.

Well Ivies are pretty clear that character matters, maybe the fact that your kid has so little ethics that he’d gossip about someone he tutors shone through in his application.

Gimme a break. My kid talked to me about it. And, as I mentioned, he was happy for the kid - that is why he brought it up to me. Please read more carefully.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

Yeah, I don't think people understand that for the schools everyone on this Board worries about, you still need really strong academics to get into the top D3 schools, and to get into an Ivy, you need both the academics and to be a good enough athlete to compete at the D1 level. Everyone acts like that's nothing. I don't get it. When DC graduated a Big3 several years ago two classmates were recruited to play a sport at top Ivies. They were really strong athletes, who had worked really hard at their sports, but also had always taken the hardest classes and had high GPAs. It was not as if they just wandered in and said "here I am."

I don’t think you understand the amount of parental time and resources a kid needs to have access to in order to be recruitable for most d1, d2 (often forgotten!), and d3 sports. Additionally, a lot of the sports that you can get recruited for garner no fanfare whatsoever.

Okay cool. What does that have to do with the misperception that athletes going to high academic schools have a "hook" and are less qualified academically? I'll answer that: nothing.

I’d like to abolish athletic preference in admissions, especially for sports that don’t generate revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

My son has a different take. He used to tutor a kid early in high school who was admitted to an Ivy for sports. My kid, the tutor, would not get into an Ivy (despite 1550 SAT, highest rigor, and high grades) but this kid did for sports. Based on DS’ interactions with the recruit, he is pretty sure his stats are on the lower side and knows he takes easier classes.

Fwiw, my kid recognizes the athletic talent of this kid, which is worth something too. And, he is happy for his success. But the system seems a bit out of whack when a kid who is smart enough to teach the other kids, can’t even get a look from the same schools.

Well Ivies are pretty clear that character matters, maybe the fact that your kid has so little ethics that he’d gossip about someone he tutors shone through in his application.