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Anonymous wrote:It seems so selfish to do at all, let alone right before one of the biggest thrills her daughter probably ever had/will have. I can't begin to understand that level of depression, though, so I'm lucky, I know.

I'm not sure it's ALL that.

It’s the HALL OF FAME in her industry. It’s not a star on Hollywood Boulevard that she paid for. There are less than 150 members in 70 years. It’s the ultimate achievement in a field that chews people up and spits them out, including her own mother, THE DAY BEFORE. Come on.

I can understand why people would think suicide is a selfish act. My father had a serious suicide attempt when I was a child and it was devastating. But as someone who unfortunately has struggled with depression and suicidal ideation herself I can tell you that you truly do feel as though people would be better off without you. It's very hard to live when you have anxious, suicidal thoughts running through your mind throughout the day. When I'm on medication that's helpful and mentally in a good place it's hard for me to really remember how awful depression feels-I wouldn't be able to understand it if I hadn't been there myself.

Anonymous wrote:My parents are her age, one has serious cancer problems, one has dementia. What I have learned from watching their struggles is I will absolutely kill myself before I go through that much suffering. I hope I can talk to my children honestly about it before I go, if it comes to that.

My dad can hardly eat, drink, sleep, walk, can't do any of the things he loved, he's in constant pain, can't have his favorite foods or drinks anymore, can't make love to his wife, and on and on. Mom with dementia just weeps if you ask her how she is. It's awful. I am so out of here before it comes to any of that.

I relate to your situation so much. There are some diseases that are so awful that there is no way I'd want to continue living like that. There should be more options for ending pain/suffering on your own terms.

Anonymous wrote:My parents are her age, one has serious cancer problems, one has dementia. What I have learned from watching their struggles is I will absolutely kill myself before I go through that much suffering. I hope I can talk to my children honestly about it before I go, if it comes to that.

My dad can hardly eat, drink, sleep, walk, can't do any of the things he loved, he's in constant pain, can't have his favorite foods or drinks anymore, can't make love to his wife, and on and on. Mom with dementia just weeps if you ask her how she is. It's awful. I am so out of here before it comes to any of that.

+1. My mom died from Alzheimer’s. I will absolutely take my life before I get to where she was when she died. There are fates worse than death.

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People don’t die by suicide because they have nothing to live for. They die by suicide because they have lethal symptoms of a little understood disease with mostly ineffective treatments.

The fact that she has so much to live for surely was a strength that she could draw up son as she fought for her life all of these years. She fought SO hard. The fact that she lived to her late 70’s with a. Disease that might have killed her many times over is a testament to her outsized courage, fortitude, and will to live.

Yes, exactly.

There have been a number of recent suicides of famous people with bountiful resources and blessings and extraordinary lives who nonetheless fell victim to the black dog. The dog does not distinguish and our primary tools to treat it are actually quite underwhelming in terms of long term efficacy, regardless of the positive messages sold by Big Pharma to convince doctors to hand out psych drugs like candy.

I’ve been musing on suicide since I was a teen and my own first attempt. I cultivated early and often the perspective that we can never know what lurks in other mens hearts, no matter how they appear on the surface. Early in high school I read this poem in English class and I always think of it when I learn of a suicide like Naomi’s:

Richard Cory
BY EDWIN ARLINGTON ROBINSON
Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich—yes, richer than a king—
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.

Naomi on her treatment for depression: "Her condition landed her several stays in psychiatric wards and on different medications — which she said caused her hands to shake and her face to swell up "like a balloon." "

I understand the temptation to comment on the extreme plastic surgery interventions among celebrities, but it's entirely possible Ashley is experiencing similar issues.

Also, I didn't realize Naomi and Wynonna had just performed together a few weeks ago at the CM Awards. She looked happy and well, what a shame.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2022-04-12/the-judds-comeback-cmt-music-awards-mother-daughter-duo

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are her age, one has serious cancer problems, one has dementia. What I have learned from watching their struggles is I will absolutely kill myself before I go through that much suffering. I hope I can talk to my children honestly about it before I go, if it comes to that.

My dad can hardly eat, drink, sleep, walk, can't do any of the things he loved, he's in constant pain, can't have his favorite foods or drinks anymore, can't make love to his wife, and on and on. Mom with dementia just weeps if you ask her how she is. It's awful. I am so out of here before it comes to any of that.

Your dad's life right now is why I support assisted suicide.

My best friend's grandpa died about 18 months ago. Prior to his death, he suffered for over 2 years. He was a skeleton of his former self, had lost the ability to speak, and most days didn't seem to recognize anyone. Constant moaning in pain and yet, his daughter, my best friend's mom, kept authorizing procedure after procedure to keep him alive. It was heartbreaking. I spent so much time around him that I know that is not what he would have wanted and my friend knew it, too... but he never had any conversations with his daughter about it or made arrangements for what could and couldn't be done medically.

My father was able to pass on his own terms only (no transfusions, no ventilator, pain medication only) because his cognitive faculties were intact. He was able to clearly communicate his desires to the physicians and administrators in the hospital. Otherwise, I have no doubt that my brother would have kept him alive with whatever means necessary. Make sure the right person in your family (or friend) is designated to make these decisions on your behalf should you become incapacitated.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If one is that miserable then go ahead and do it. No nee to stay here for me. Do your thing. I'll be fine. I understand. Don't live simply because of others.

I don’t disagree with the perspective, but don’t do a double whammy of taking your life right before the greatest professional achievement your partner will experience.

Maybe having to go to this event was what pushed her over the edge.

I thought the same...as well as concern that she was exposed to harsh judgments/ critiques on her appearance and that this put her over the edge. I truly hope not.

Anonymous wrote:I knew very little about this family, other than mom/daughter sing and one daughter (who for some reason I seem to recall is very smart) acts. After reading about her suicide, I wondered if they had more family and found Wynonna has 2 children of her own. Sounds like troubles run in the family. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/5246373/naomi-judd-granddaughter-grace-prison-funeral/

This is a profound understatement...Naomi's family has generations of trauma, per her own report...all types of abuse, incest, murder and suicidality. She acknowledged these things in various forums over the years.

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Anonymous wrote:If one is that miserable then go ahead and do it. No nee to stay here for me. Do your thing. I'll be fine. I understand. Don't live simply because of others.

I don’t disagree with the perspective, but don’t do a double whammy of taking your life right before the greatest professional achievement your partner will experience.

Maybe having to go to this event was what pushed her over the edge.

Anonymous wrote:My parents are her age, one has serious cancer problems, one has dementia. What I have learned from watching their struggles is I will absolutely kill myself before I go through that much suffering. I hope I can talk to my children honestly about it before I go, if it comes to that.

My dad can hardly eat, drink, sleep, walk, can't do any of the things he loved, he's in constant pain, can't have his favorite foods or drinks anymore, can't make love to his wife, and on and on. Mom with dementia just weeps if you ask her how she is. It's awful. I am so out of here before it comes to any of that.

Your dad's life right now is why I support assisted suicide.

My best friend's grandpa died about 18 months ago. Prior to his death, he suffered for over 2 years. He was a skeleton of his former self, had lost the ability to speak, and most days didn't seem to recognize anyone. Constant moaning in pain and yet, his daughter, my best friend's mom, kept authorizing procedure after procedure to keep him alive. It was heartbreaking. I spent so much time around him that I know that is not what he would have wanted and my friend knew it, too... but he never had any conversations with his daughter about it or made arrangements for what could and couldn't be done medically.

My parents are her age, one has serious cancer problems, one has dementia. What I have learned from watching their struggles is I will absolutely kill myself before I go through that much suffering. I hope I can talk to my children honestly about it before I go, if it comes to that.

My dad can hardly eat, drink, sleep, walk, can't do any of the things he loved, he's in constant pain, can't have his favorite foods or drinks anymore, can't make love to his wife, and on and on. Mom with dementia just weeps if you ask her how she is. It's awful. I am so out of here before it comes to any of that.

Anonymous wrote:If one is that miserable then go ahead and do it. No nee to stay here for me. Do your thing. I'll be fine. I understand. Don't live simply because of others.

I don’t disagree with the perspective, but don’t do a double whammy of taking your life right before the greatest professional achievement your partner will experience.

If one is that miserable then go ahead and do it. No nee to stay here for me. Do your thing. I'll be fine. I understand. Don't live simply because of others.

It is really sad. Having lost friends to teen suicide and menopausal mom suicide, this really rattles me. I like to imagine 76-year-olds being at peace and living out their years however they want to. I admire her for speaking out over the years, and it's tragic that she didn't make it.