Anonymous
04/16/2022 12:38
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We left after feeling like there was a class and race -based divide between the white and non-white families. My son was placed in ESL based on his appearance and name even though we only speak English in our house. We moved to a new ES and were much happier but this was around a decade ago, so maybe things have changed.
That’s not how kids are placed in ESL? At all.
Pp here - well that’s how it happened. We indicated on the questionnaire that everyone in our household speaks English, but they still placed him in the class when he enrolled there. He was immediately switched out when we spoke with the principal. My point is that we felt like he was being stereotyped based on his appearance and name. Again this was almost a decade ago and before the school implemented a level IV program, which is not available at Vienna ES.
I’m not the PP, but under no circumstances is that how it works in FCPS. Do you mean your child was placed in a class with ESOL students? Because that does happen. ESOL students are screened for a language level—. It is not* chosen based on name or appearance.
I’m not going to argue because I have the life experience of it happening to us and before school started for him in KG- so he was not screened. I hold to my point on feeling less than based on our race and feeling like there was a divide at the school. Things may have changed though since our experience was many years ago
Do you mean he was mistakenly pulled out for ESOL services? Because FCPS does not have separate classes for ESOL students. Kids are mixed across all of the classrooms.
Anonymous
04/16/2022 10:50
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Demographics are fascinating.
The CPES boundary includes aging housing stock-starter homes on 1/4 acre in Vienna Woods AND the Vienna Park Apartments. The old homes are rapidly being torn down and replaced with large $1.5 + homes.
Even the families who live in the original modest homes are in an entirely different demographic than the apartment residents.
The families who move into the new homes most definitely have school choice; that is, they can and often do send their students to private schools.
Easy to predict and correlate that depending upon what the majority of the “new” families do/choose so goes the school funding and success and ratings. Could go dramatically either way.
The CPES boundary includes aging housing stock-starter homes on 1/4 acre in Vienna Woods AND the Vienna Park Apartments. The old homes are rapidly being torn down and replaced with large $1.5 + homes.
Even the families who live in the original modest homes are in an entirely different demographic than the apartment residents.
The families who move into the new homes most definitely have school choice; that is, they can and often do send their students to private schools.
Easy to predict and correlate that depending upon what the majority of the “new” families do/choose so goes the school funding and success and ratings. Could go dramatically either way.
Anonymous
04/16/2022 10:20
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We left after feeling like there was a class and race -based divide between the white and non-white families. My son was placed in ESL based on his appearance and name even though we only speak English in our house. We moved to a new ES and were much happier but this was around a decade ago, so maybe things have changed.
That’s not how kids are placed in ESL? At all.
Pp here - well that’s how it happened. We indicated on the questionnaire that everyone in our household speaks English, but they still placed him in the class when he enrolled there. He was immediately switched out when we spoke with the principal. My point is that we felt like he was being stereotyped based on his appearance and name. Again this was almost a decade ago and before the school implemented a level IV program, which is not available at Vienna ES.
I’m not the PP, but under no circumstances is that how it works in FCPS. Do you mean your child was placed in a class with ESOL students? Because that does happen. ESOL students are screened for a language level—. It is not* chosen based on name or appearance.
I’m not going to argue because I have the life experience of it happening to us and before school started for him in KG- so he was not screened. I hold to my point on feeling less than based on our race and feeling like there was a divide at the school. Things may have changed though since our experience was many years ago
Anonymous
04/16/2022 09:20
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We left after feeling like there was a class and race -based divide between the white and non-white families. My son was placed in ESL based on his appearance and name even though we only speak English in our house. We moved to a new ES and were much happier but this was around a decade ago, so maybe things have changed.
That’s not how kids are placed in ESL? At all.
Pp here - well that’s how it happened. We indicated on the questionnaire that everyone in our household speaks English, but they still placed him in the class when he enrolled there. He was immediately switched out when we spoke with the principal. My point is that we felt like he was being stereotyped based on his appearance and name. Again this was almost a decade ago and before the school implemented a level IV program, which is not available at Vienna ES.
I’m not the PP, but under no circumstances is that how it works in FCPS. Do you mean your child was placed in a class with ESOL students? Because that does happen. ESOL students are screened for a language level—. It is not* chosen based on name or appearance.
Anonymous
04/16/2022 09:19
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We left after feeling like there was a class and race -based divide between the white and non-white families. My son was placed in ESL based on his appearance and name even though we only speak English in our house. We moved to a new ES and were much happier but this was around a decade ago, so maybe things have changed.
That’s not how kids are placed in ESL? At all.
Pp here - well that’s how it happened. We indicated on the questionnaire that everyone in our household speaks English, but they still placed him in the class when he enrolled there. He was immediately switched out when we spoke with the principal. My point is that we felt like he was being stereotyped based on his appearance and name. Again this was almost a decade ago and before the school implemented a level IV program, which is not available at Vienna ES.
I’m not the PP, but under no circumstances is that how it works in FCPS. Do you mean your child was placed in a class with ESOL students? Because that does happen. ESOL students are screened for a language level—. It chosen based on name or appearance.
Anonymous
04/16/2022 09:07
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We left after feeling like there was a class and race -based divide between the white and non-white families. My son was placed in ESL based on his appearance and name even though we only speak English in our house. We moved to a new ES and were much happier but this was around a decade ago, so maybe things have changed.
That’s not how kids are placed in ESL? At all.
Pp here - well that’s how it happened. We indicated on the questionnaire that everyone in our household speaks English, but they still placed him in the class when he enrolled there. He was immediately switched out when we spoke with the principal. My point is that we felt like he was being stereotyped based on his appearance and name. Again this was almost a decade ago and before the school implemented a level IV program, which is not available at Vienna ES.
Anonymous
04/16/2022 07:21
Subject: cunningham elementary in vienna
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow that's a 3 rated school, run
Surrounded by million dollar plus homes. See above for poor rating. She doesn’t need to run.
It drags down the value of the homes but if your kid is in the elementary or high school you should be ok as you've avoid this low rated elementary. However the neighborhood is worth less as the clientele of the elementary school live there
Of course “the clientele” lives in the same neighborhood. That’s how elementary schools work. Yes OP-this ES includes apartments in Vienna that have (gasp!) low income and non English speakers.