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Anonymous wrote:Moved here from out of state a few years ago. Didn't know about AAP but one child got in because had taken whatever IQ test FCPS uses in previous state for similar program, but declined placement until 7th grade so wouldn't have to change schools again right after relocating. (no AAP center at assigned ES) I also have much younger children and didn't realize what a big deal AAP seems to be around here. Not interested in prepping. Never have. Just wondering if AAP is a deal breaker or not for my younger kids when they get to HS in terms of being successful/prepared for honors/AP courses should they choose/want to take them..

I heard only LLIV AAP kids get into to TJ

TJ requires Algebra 1 by 8th grade. Most of the eligible kids are kids who have had Advanced Math in ES, which is included in LIV but is also a separate class for non-LIV kids who are strong in math. Anyone can sign up for Math 7H in 7th grade, which is essentially pre-algebra, or algebra honors in 8th grade so technically Advanced Math is not necessary to get into TJ.

Prior to admissions changes for TJ 3 years ago, more advanced math classes, like geometry and algebra 2, were thought to be necessary to be accepted at TJ. Those classes required Advanced Math because you cannot take algebra in 7th grade without passing advanced on the Math 7 SOL, which only kids in advanced math and LIV took.

If a student enters TJ with only Algebra 1, they would certainly be in the bottom segment of the class, constantly trying to catch up with their peers entering with advanced math. More than half of the admitted class has at least Geometry credit, and many others enter having completed Algebra 2 in middle school or summer before. Even for those entering with Geometry credit, the math curriculum at TJ is fast-paced, and the vast majority of the class enrolls in one of the AP calculus courses by junior year, if not sooner. By enrolling in TJ, student gives up the option to graduate with just Algebra 2, an option they have at base school. AP Calculus enrollment is mandatory to graduate from TJ. While there is an equity push to recruit Algebra 1 students, it is unfair and unethical not to inform students and their parents about the challenges they would face tackling the rigorous math curriculum there and the constant mental stress to keep up with math grades.

My general Ed kid got A’s in all Honors and AP math and science classes. He wasn’t a candidate for AAP because he was only interested in PE and recess in ES 😆

Anonymous wrote:The idea that the selection for "gifted" programming in 2nd grade determines your college path makes me want to cry.

I think not test prepped Cogat scores have some meaning - not the AAP program itself.
But smart people can have problems too and hard work / grit accounts for a lot too.

I think they could do fine with AP classes in high school, but for elite colleges, being on a more accelerated math track improves (the already very low) odds.

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Anonymous wrote:Moved here from out of state a few years ago. Didn't know about AAP but one child got in because had taken whatever IQ test FCPS uses in previous state for similar program, but declined placement until 7th grade so wouldn't have to change schools again right after relocating. (no AAP center at assigned ES) I also have much younger children and didn't realize what a big deal AAP seems to be around here. Not interested in prepping. Never have. Just wondering if AAP is a deal breaker or not for my younger kids when they get to HS in terms of being successful/prepared for honors/AP courses should they choose/want to take them..

I heard only LLIV AAP kids get into to TJ

TJ requires Algebra 1 by 8th grade. Most of the eligible kids are kids who have had Advanced Math in ES, which is included in LIV but is also a separate class for non-LIV kids who are strong in math. Anyone can sign up for Math 7H in 7th grade, which is essentially pre-algebra, or algebra honors in 8th grade so technically Advanced Math is not necessary to get into TJ.

Prior to admissions changes for TJ 3 years ago, more advanced math classes, like geometry and algebra 2, were thought to be necessary to be accepted at TJ. Those classes required Advanced Math because you cannot take algebra in 7th grade without passing advanced on the Math 7 SOL, which only kids in advanced math and LIV took.

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Anonymous wrote:Moved here from out of state a few years ago. Didn't know about AAP but one child got in because had taken whatever IQ test FCPS uses in previous state for similar program, but declined placement until 7th grade so wouldn't have to change schools again right after relocating. (no AAP center at assigned ES) I also have much younger children and didn't realize what a big deal AAP seems to be around here. Not interested in prepping. Never have. Just wondering if AAP is a deal breaker or not for my younger kids when they get to HS in terms of being successful/prepared for honors/AP courses should they choose/want to take them..

I heard only LLIV AAP kids get into to TJ

Thanks to the recent non-merit based admissions policy, the lower quarter of the TJ class is now bustling with bare minimum middle school math students. On a positive note, there was timely introduction of remedial math classes.

Anonymous wrote:Moved here from out of state a few years ago. Didn't know about AAP but one child got in because had taken whatever IQ test FCPS uses in previous state for similar program, but declined placement until 7th grade so wouldn't have to change schools again right after relocating. (no AAP center at assigned ES) I also have much younger children and didn't realize what a big deal AAP seems to be around here. Not interested in prepping. Never have. Just wondering if AAP is a deal breaker or not for my younger kids when they get to HS in terms of being successful/prepared for honors/AP courses should they choose/want to take them..

I heard only LLIV AAP kids get into to TJ

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that the selection for "gifted" programming in 2nd grade determines your college path makes me want to cry.

Agree. The title of this post makes me cry. Whether the OP intended to or not, the title implies that if you are not in AAP when you are 8 YEARS OLD, you may not succeed in some high school classes because some random committee decided you were not smart enough when your were 8 YEARS OLD. It is bonkers how obsessed parents are with this program. If your child is hard working, determined to not give up and enjoys learning they will succeed in HN and AP classes in HS regardless of their former AAP status.

Parents want regular standards of education for their child. AAP is regular standard, not advanced, and gen ed is remedial standard. how about putting your child in remedial for entire K12!

it's common knowledge

the cray cray is out in full force. Gen Ed is definitely not remedial. And the mention of “K12” makes no sense, it’s 3-6th. Starting in MS, you can choose to take HN and there are some MS that are all honors (no choice) and it’s the same exact curriculum for AAP and Gen. AAP is completely over in 8th grade. You pick whatever classes you want to take in HS. I’ve had multiple kids in both programs. It’s really an ES program that emphasizes higher level math but only in 5th and 6th grade. One of my kids wasn’t in AAP but still is advanced in math. HS is completely what your kid makes of it.

If your kid is/was happy with gen ed, stay there. No one is forcing you to leave gen ed or stop speaking how glorious it was for your family. Why are you even on this AAP thread?

We did and all is well. He takes Advanced Math and is doing well. He will be taking AAP in MS because the Center is his base school. He didn’t want to change schools and our school does not have LLIV at the time.

There are no restrictions on who can post where. And it is probably helpful to families to know that not every kid selected into AAP goes, for a variety of reasons, and that their kids are thriving in the regular classroom. At many schools, AAP is not all that different. There are some exceptions, like Title 1 schools, but kids at a base school, that performs well on SOLs are probably going to be fine in the regular classroom.

Plenty of non-AAP kids are in AP/IB programs and succeeding in HS. There are a handful of schools that treat AAP as if it is the holy grail and parents are almost panicked if their kid isn’t AAP placed.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that the selection for "gifted" programming in 2nd grade determines your college path makes me want to cry.

Agree. The title of this post makes me cry. Whether the OP intended to or not, the title implies that if you are not in AAP when you are 8 YEARS OLD, you may not succeed in some high school classes because some random committee decided you were not smart enough when your were 8 YEARS OLD. It is bonkers how obsessed parents are with this program. If your child is hard working, determined to not give up and enjoys learning they will succeed in HN and AP classes in HS regardless of their former AAP status.

Parents want regular standards of education for their child. AAP is regular standard, not advanced, and gen ed is remedial standard. how about putting your child in remedial for entire K12!

it's common knowledge

the cray cray is out in full force. Gen Ed is definitely not remedial. And the mention of “K12” makes no sense, it’s 3-6th. Starting in MS, you can choose to take HN and there are some MS that are all honors (no choice) and it’s the same exact curriculum for AAP and Gen. AAP is completely over in 8th grade. You pick whatever classes you want to take in HS. I’ve had multiple kids in both programs. It’s really an ES program that emphasizes higher level math but only in 5th and 6th grade. One of my kids wasn’t in AAP but still is advanced in math. HS is completely what your kid makes of it.

If your kid is/was happy with gen ed, stay there. No one is forcing you to leave gen ed or stop speaking how glorious it was for your family. Why are you even on this AAP thread?

I have 4 kids in all three levels of school. Kids in AAP,GE in ES,MS and HS. Comparing the programs over 6 years now and currently I do not see much of a difference except for math(at least in our pyramid). Just out here trying to calm parents who think that if their kids don't get into AAP they will succeed in HS and possibly surpass kids that were in AAP in ES. Also I made no indication that eiither program was "GLORIOUS" for our family-come on we are talking about a public school system.

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Anonymous wrote:How likely is it for a kid in FCPS general ed (elementary) to do well in middle school honors classes and high school honors/AP classes?
Is the only path to being a strong candidate for elite colleges to get into AAP in elementary/middle? Assuming no hooks or URM status

Irrespective of whether a kid gets into AAP or not, the duty of their parents doesn't change. Got to read with the kids, help them, make sure they do homework, feed them well, do the usual parenting duties to best assist the child development. The learnings at home, outdoors are as important and in many cases, more important than classes at school.

We do all this and DC is in AAP, loves the peer environment. We'll worry about colleges when it's time to apply in HS. Not sure what OP is trying to communicate 🤔

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that the selection for "gifted" programming in 2nd grade determines your college path makes me want to cry.

Agree. The title of this post makes me cry. Whether the OP intended to or not, the title implies that if you are not in AAP when you are 8 YEARS OLD, you may not succeed in some high school classes because some random committee decided you were not smart enough when your were 8 YEARS OLD. It is bonkers how obsessed parents are with this program. If your child is hard working, determined to not give up and enjoys learning they will succeed in HN and AP classes in HS regardless of their former AAP status.

Parents want regular standards of education for their child. AAP is regular standard, not advanced, and gen ed is remedial standard. how about putting your child in remedial for entire K12!

it's common knowledge

the cray cray is out in full force. Gen Ed is definitely not remedial. And the mention of “K12” makes no sense, it’s 3-6th. Starting in MS, you can choose to take HN and there are some MS that are all honors (no choice) and it’s the same exact curriculum for AAP and Gen. AAP is completely over in 8th grade. You pick whatever classes you want to take in HS. I’ve had multiple kids in both programs. It’s really an ES program that emphasizes higher level math but only in 5th and 6th grade. One of my kids wasn’t in AAP but still is advanced in math. HS is completely what your kid makes of it.

If your kid is/was happy with gen ed, stay there. No one is forcing you to leave gen ed or stop speaking how glorious it was for your family. Why are you even on this AAP thread?

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that the selection for "gifted" programming in 2nd grade determines your college path makes me want to cry.

Agree. The title of this post makes me cry. Whether the OP intended to or not, the title implies that if you are not in AAP when you are 8 YEARS OLD, you may not succeed in some high school classes because some random committee decided you were not smart enough when your were 8 YEARS OLD. It is bonkers how obsessed parents are with this program. If your child is hard working, determined to not give up and enjoys learning they will succeed in HN and AP classes in HS regardless of their former AAP status.

Parents want regular standards of education for their child. AAP is regular standard, not advanced, and gen ed is remedial standard. how about putting your child in remedial for entire K12!

it's common knowledge

the cray cray is out in full force. Gen Ed is definitely not remedial. And the mention of “K12” makes no sense, it’s 3-6th. Starting in MS, you can choose to take HN and there are some MS that are all honors (no choice) and it’s the same exact curriculum for AAP and Gen. AAP is completely over in 8th grade. You pick whatever classes you want to take in HS. I’ve had multiple kids in both programs. It’s really an ES program that emphasizes higher level math but only in 5th and 6th grade. One of my kids wasn’t in AAP but still is advanced in math. HS is completely what your kid makes of it.

Anonymous wrote:How likely is it for a kid in FCPS general ed (elementary) to do well in middle school honors classes and high school honors/AP classes?
Is the only path to being a strong candidate for elite colleges to get into AAP in elementary/middle? Assuming no hooks or URM status

Irrespective of whether a kid gets into AAP or not, the duty of their parents doesn't change. Got to read with the kids, help them, make sure they do homework, feed them well, do the usual parenting duties to best assist the child development. The learnings at home, outdoors are as important and in many cases, more important than classes at school.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that the selection for "gifted" programming in 2nd grade determines your college path makes me want to cry.

Agree. The title of this post makes me cry. Whether the OP intended to or not, the title implies that if you are not in AAP when you are 8 YEARS OLD, you may not succeed in some high school classes because some random committee decided you were not smart enough when your were 8 YEARS OLD. It is bonkers how obsessed parents are with this program. If your child is hard working, determined to not give up and enjoys learning they will succeed in HN and AP classes in HS regardless of their former AAP status.

Parents want regular standards of education for their child. AAP is regular standard, not advanced, and gen ed is remedial standard. how about putting your child in remedial for entire K12!

it's common knowledge

AAP is regular standard, not advanced, and gen ed is remedial standard.

This is not true and such BS.
Maybe, maybe school specific