Anonymous wrote:Just noting that you haven't once acknowledged the clear errors you have made in spreading disinformation in this post: HB's lower class sizes are subsidized through cutting non-teaching staff so it doesn't cost more; HB is not inflating the percentage of special needs kids it provides services to (which is comparatively high) by counting non-disabled, gifted kids as special needs (wut that was cray), etc. The list is probably longer but my patience is worn out.

There is one particular parent who applied to HB for their kid but didn't get in and has now pretty much made a personal vow to destroy HB in manner of comic book villain, fyi.

Anonymous wrote:^^ I am with you. This HB poster acts like we haven’t all been thru APS and don’t know it’s weaknesses. The counseling service at DC middle school is a joke. We know that HB is a better school with smaller classes. That is a fact. Stop trying to act like APS HS and MS are in any way equal to the education you get at HB with your trade off nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:Just noting that you haven't once acknowledged the clear errors you have made in spreading disinformation in this post: HB's lower class sizes are subsidized through cutting non-teaching staff so it doesn't cost more; HB is not inflating the percentage of special needs kids it provides services to (which is comparatively high) by counting non-disabled, gifted kids as special needs (wut that was cray), etc. The list is probably longer but my patience is worn out.

There is one particular parent who applied to HB for their kid but didn't get in and has now pretty much made a personal vow to destroy HB in manner of comic book villain, fyi.

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

Plenty of people complain about the busing to those programs. All option programs cost most than neighborhood schools. HB costs significantly more because it, on avg, has smaller class sizes than the comprehensive high schools and staff is the largest cost.

No. Absolutely not. HB doesn't have staff that don't teach, even administrators like principals and vice principals at HB teach, they don't have counselors and other non-teaching administrators, so there is no extra cost!!!! It does NOT cost more. Do not spread misinformation.

Yeah they don’t need dedicated counselors because the problem children with checked out or incarcerated parents aren’t at HB, because there is zero change they would navigate the lottery and deadline.

No. The teachers act as counselors. They have "TA" classes every few days and check in with their assigned TAs. It works.

I have a kid who had problems in elementary school and has an IEP, and we are at HB now. We were lucky to get in. There are benefits and trade offs but this is a much better fit for us than our elementary school experience. From my kid's friends and classmates there are definitely other kids with problems at the school. I mean, I guess I'm not incarcerated or checked out, so maybe my kid doesn't count to you.

1) exactly. They don’t need dedicated counselors, the teachers do it on adhoc basis. I’m assuming the WL and YHS counselors aren’t sitting around munching edibles all day, but I guess it’s possible.

2) you are like the opposite of the problem parents — you took the initiative and had resources to obtain an IEP. But you won’t get kids bringing tasers to school. Any school requiring extra effort to attend has that barrier to entry for families with challenges. You are so obtuse.

“ While HBW’s demographic profile does not mirror the county’s overall makeup (61 percent of HBW’s students are white compared with 47 percent among all students in the county), HBW’s student population is significantly more diverse than it would be if HBW served as a neighborhood school. HBW’s students come from 46 different countries and speak 27 different languages at home. In addition, HBW’s student body matches the county’s distribution of special education students. HBW’s special education students make up 15.8% of the student body compared to 14 percent county-wide.”

Curious, aren’t “gifted” considers special education students? But I’m sure the IEP crowd counts too, again with plugged in parents.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/parents-pages/pac-site/pac/frequently-asked-questions/

And 12% free lunch, vs WL 26%. It’s closer to Yorktown’s 9%. For a county wide program.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SNPMonthlyEligibilityReport.pdf

You don't seem to be listening. Teachers aren't doing stuff on the fly, they are devoting entire class periods to providing the services that counselors provide, in a way that has worked at HB for a long time. My kid doesn't have an IEP for being gifted btw and that isn't counted as a special ed service -- not sure what planet you are on with that. Instead of having one counselor to support the entire student body they have 5 different teachers per year (or whatever) doing so with regular check ins. I think having at least one teacher a year who really gets to know your kid well is a better way of keeping track of what is going on with kids, to be honest.

I'm telling you what I observe from my kid's friends which is that there are definitely a bunch of "fringe" kids at HB who may not have a lot of resources but they are supported at the school and made to feel welcome. It's clear that you don't want to hear this though so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gifted is special ed

https://www.apsva.us/gifted-services/twice-exceptional/

Why can’t you just be gracious that you benefit from a coveted program by luck rather than pretend there are these huge trade offs. My kid never can see her counselor, they are booked solid with county services meetings.

Wow. 2e is not any old gifted service. 2e means you both qualify for special ed services on your own and also qualify as gifted. (2e is like if you qualify as gifted but also have HFA or ADHD etc.) If you only qualify as gifted, though, without also having a disability, you are not receiving special ed services.

But it's clear that you don't care about truth and are happy spreading disinformation as you did earlier as well in talking about HB requiring greater amounts of money to support smaller class sizes. You don't know what you're talking about but have a huge grudge against the school. Grow up.

There ARE trade offs in being at HB. Transportation is harder (my kid would have been able to walk to our neighborhood school oh well), my kid has basically lost their neighborhood friends, there are no athletics besides the frisbee thing, there are fewer class choices. But for us the trade offs have been worth it, my kid is a lot happier than in elementary school, which was extremely difficult for them. I fully agree we WERE extremely lucky to get in.

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

I complain about option school busing all the time.

You are misinformed about the busing. With hub stops, institutes pre-pandemic, costs are down and it is a more efficient way to transport the kids. My HB DD takes the bus and picks it up at a hub stop. It also stops at the career center. At one time it stopped at the Arlington HS at the Langston building.

I'd rather start a discussion about how many parents drop their kids off at school - more cars on the road, more pollution, blocking intersections waiting for their kids at the end of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

Plenty of people complain about the busing to those programs. All option programs cost most than neighborhood schools. HB costs significantly more because it, on avg, has smaller class sizes than the comprehensive high schools and staff is the largest cost.

No. Absolutely not. HB doesn't have staff that don't teach, even administrators like principals and vice principals at HB teach, they don't have counselors and other non-teaching administrators, so there is no extra cost!!!! It does NOT cost more. Do not spread misinformation.

Yeah they don’t need dedicated counselors because the problem children with checked out or incarcerated parents aren’t at HB, because there is zero change they would navigate the lottery and deadline.

No. The teachers act as counselors. They have "TA" classes every few days and check in with their assigned TAs. It works.

I have a kid who had problems in elementary school and has an IEP, and we are at HB now. We were lucky to get in. There are benefits and trade offs but this is a much better fit for us than our elementary school experience. From my kid's friends and classmates there are definitely other kids with problems at the school. I mean, I guess I'm not incarcerated or checked out, so maybe my kid doesn't count to you.

1) exactly. They don’t need dedicated counselors, the teachers do it on adhoc basis. I’m assuming the WL and YHS counselors aren’t sitting around munching edibles all day, but I guess it’s possible.

2) you are like the opposite of the problem parents — you took the initiative and had resources to obtain an IEP. But you won’t get kids bringing tasers to school. Any school requiring extra effort to attend has that barrier to entry for families with challenges. You are so obtuse.

“ While HBW’s demographic profile does not mirror the county’s overall makeup (61 percent of HBW’s students are white compared with 47 percent among all students in the county), HBW’s student population is significantly more diverse than it would be if HBW served as a neighborhood school. HBW’s students come from 46 different countries and speak 27 different languages at home. In addition, HBW’s student body matches the county’s distribution of special education students. HBW’s special education students make up 15.8% of the student body compared to 14 percent county-wide.”

Curious, aren’t “gifted” considers special education students? But I’m sure the IEP crowd counts too, again with plugged in parents.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/parents-pages/pac-site/pac/frequently-asked-questions/

And 12% free lunch, vs WL 26%. It’s closer to Yorktown’s 9%. For a county wide program.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SNPMonthlyEligibilityReport.pdf

You don't seem to be listening. Teachers aren't doing stuff on the fly, they are devoting entire class periods to providing the services that counselors provide, in a way that has worked at HB for a long time. My kid doesn't have an IEP for being gifted btw and that isn't counted as a special ed service -- not sure what planet you are on with that. Instead of having one counselor to support the entire student body they have 5 different teachers per year (or whatever) doing so with regular check ins. I think having at least one teacher a year who really gets to know your kid well is a better way of keeping track of what is going on with kids, to be honest.

I'm telling you what I observe from my kid's friends which is that there are definitely a bunch of "fringe" kids at HB who may not have a lot of resources but they are supported at the school and made to feel welcome. It's clear that you don't want to hear this though so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gifted is special ed

https://www.apsva.us/gifted-services/twice-exceptional/

Why can’t you just be gracious that you benefit from a coveted program by luck rather than pretend there are these huge trade offs. My kid never can see her counselor, they are booked solid with county services meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

Plenty of people complain about the busing to those programs. All option programs cost most than neighborhood schools. HB costs significantly more because it, on avg, has smaller class sizes than the comprehensive high schools and staff is the largest cost.

No. Absolutely not. HB doesn't have staff that don't teach, even administrators like principals and vice principals at HB teach, they don't have counselors and other non-teaching administrators, so there is no extra cost!!!! It does NOT cost more. Do not spread misinformation.

Yeah they don’t need dedicated counselors because the problem children with checked out or incarcerated parents aren’t at HB, because there is zero change they would navigate the lottery and deadline.

No. The teachers act as counselors. They have "TA" classes every few days and check in with their assigned TAs. It works.

I have a kid who had problems in elementary school and has an IEP, and we are at HB now. We were lucky to get in. There are benefits and trade offs but this is a much better fit for us than our elementary school experience. From my kid's friends and classmates there are definitely other kids with problems at the school. I mean, I guess I'm not incarcerated or checked out, so maybe my kid doesn't count to you.

1) exactly. They don’t need dedicated counselors, the teachers do it on adhoc basis. I’m assuming the WL and YHS counselors aren’t sitting around munching edibles all day, but I guess it’s possible.

2) you are like the opposite of the problem parents — you took the initiative and had resources to obtain an IEP. But you won’t get kids bringing tasers to school. Any school requiring extra effort to attend has that barrier to entry for families with challenges. You are so obtuse.

“ While HBW’s demographic profile does not mirror the county’s overall makeup (61 percent of HBW’s students are white compared with 47 percent among all students in the county), HBW’s student population is significantly more diverse than it would be if HBW served as a neighborhood school. HBW’s students come from 46 different countries and speak 27 different languages at home. In addition, HBW’s student body matches the county’s distribution of special education students. HBW’s special education students make up 15.8% of the student body compared to 14 percent county-wide.”

Curious, aren’t “gifted” considers special education students? But I’m sure the IEP crowd counts too, again with plugged in parents.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/parents-pages/pac-site/pac/frequently-asked-questions/

And 12% free lunch, vs WL 26%. It’s closer to Yorktown’s 9%. For a county wide program.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SNPMonthlyEligibilityReport.pdf

You don't seem to be listening. Teachers aren't doing stuff on the fly, they are devoting entire class periods to providing the services that counselors provide, in a way that has worked at HB for a long time. My kid doesn't have an IEP for being gifted btw and that isn't counted as a special ed service -- not sure what planet you are on with that. Instead of having one counselor to support the entire student body they have 5 different teachers per year (or whatever) doing so with regular check ins. I think having at least one teacher a year who really gets to know your kid well is a better way of keeping track of what is going on with kids, to be honest.

I'm telling you what I observe from my kid's friends which is that there are definitely a bunch of "fringe" kids at HB who may not have a lot of resources but they are supported at the school and made to feel welcome. It's clear that you don't want to hear this though so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gifted is special ed

https://www.apsva.us/gifted-services/twice-exceptional/

Why can’t you just be gracious that you benefit from a coveted program by luck rather than pretend there are these huge trade offs. My kid never can see her counselor, they are booked solid with county services meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

Plenty of people complain about the busing to those programs. All option programs cost most than neighborhood schools. HB costs significantly more because it, on avg, has smaller class sizes than the comprehensive high schools and staff is the largest cost.

No. Absolutely not. HB doesn't have staff that don't teach, even administrators like principals and vice principals at HB teach, they don't have counselors and other non-teaching administrators, so there is no extra cost!!!! It does NOT cost more. Do not spread misinformation.

Yeah they don’t need dedicated counselors because the problem children with checked out or incarcerated parents aren’t at HB, because there is zero change they would navigate the lottery and deadline.

No. The teachers act as counselors. They have "TA" classes every few days and check in with their assigned TAs. It works.

I have a kid who had problems in elementary school and has an IEP, and we are at HB now. We were lucky to get in. There are benefits and trade offs but this is a much better fit for us than our elementary school experience. From my kid's friends and classmates there are definitely other kids with problems at the school. I mean, I guess I'm not incarcerated or checked out, so maybe my kid doesn't count to you.

1) exactly. They don’t need dedicated counselors, the teachers do it on adhoc basis. I’m assuming the WL and YHS counselors aren’t sitting around munching edibles all day, but I guess it’s possible.

2) you are like the opposite of the problem parents — you took the initiative and had resources to obtain an IEP. But you won’t get kids bringing tasers to school. Any school requiring extra effort to attend has that barrier to entry for families with challenges. You are so obtuse.

“ While HBW’s demographic profile does not mirror the county’s overall makeup (61 percent of HBW’s students are white compared with 47 percent among all students in the county), HBW’s student population is significantly more diverse than it would be if HBW served as a neighborhood school. HBW’s students come from 46 different countries and speak 27 different languages at home. In addition, HBW’s student body matches the county’s distribution of special education students. HBW’s special education students make up 15.8% of the student body compared to 14 percent county-wide.”

Curious, aren’t “gifted” considers special education students? But I’m sure the IEP crowd counts too, again with plugged in parents.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/parents-pages/pac-site/pac/frequently-asked-questions/

And 12% free lunch, vs WL 26%. It’s closer to Yorktown’s 9%. For a county wide program.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SNPMonthlyEligibilityReport.pdf

You don't seem to be listening. Teachers aren't doing stuff on the fly, they are devoting entire class periods to providing the services that counselors provide, in a way that has worked at HB for a long time. My kid doesn't have an IEP for being gifted btw and that isn't counted as a special ed service -- not sure what planet you are on with that. Instead of having one counselor to support the entire student body they have 5 different teachers per year (or whatever) doing so with regular check ins. I think having at least one teacher a year who really gets to know your kid well is a better way of keeping track of what is going on with kids, to be honest.

I'm telling you what I observe from my kid's friends which is that there are definitely a bunch of "fringe" kids at HB who may not have a lot of resources but they are supported at the school and made to feel welcome. It's clear that you don't want to hear this though so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

Plenty of people complain about the busing to those programs. All option programs cost most than neighborhood schools. HB costs significantly more because it, on avg, has smaller class sizes than the comprehensive high schools and staff is the largest cost.

No. Absolutely not. HB doesn't have staff that don't teach, even administrators like principals and vice principals at HB teach, they don't have counselors and other non-teaching administrators, so there is no extra cost!!!! It does NOT cost more. Do not spread misinformation.

Yeah they don’t need dedicated counselors because the problem children with checked out or incarcerated parents aren’t at HB, because there is zero change they would navigate the lottery and deadline.

No. The teachers act as counselors. They have "TA" classes every few days and check in with their assigned TAs. It works.

I have a kid who had problems in elementary school and has an IEP, and we are at HB now. We were lucky to get in. There are benefits and trade offs but this is a much better fit for us than our elementary school experience. From my kid's friends and classmates there are definitely other kids with problems at the school. I mean, I guess I'm not incarcerated or checked out, so maybe my kid doesn't count to you.

1) exactly. They don’t need dedicated counselors, the teachers do it on adhoc basis. I’m assuming the WL and YHS counselors aren’t sitting around munching edibles all day, but I guess it’s possible.

2) you are like the opposite of the problem parents — you took the initiative and had resources to obtain an IEP. But you won’t get kids bringing tasers to school. Any school requiring extra effort to attend has that barrier to entry for families with challenges. You are so obtuse.

“ While HBW’s demographic profile does not mirror the county’s overall makeup (61 percent of HBW’s students are white compared with 47 percent among all students in the county), HBW’s student population is significantly more diverse than it would be if HBW served as a neighborhood school. HBW’s students come from 46 different countries and speak 27 different languages at home. In addition, HBW’s student body matches the county’s distribution of special education students. HBW’s special education students make up 15.8% of the student body compared to 14 percent county-wide.”

Curious, aren’t “gifted” considers special education students? But I’m sure the IEP crowd counts too, again with plugged in parents.

https://hbwoodlawn.apsva.us/parents-pages/pac-site/pac/frequently-asked-questions/

And 12% free lunch, vs WL 26%. It’s closer to Yorktown’s 9%. For a county wide program.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SNPMonthlyEligibilityReport.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

I complain about option school busing all the time.

You are misinformed about the busing. With hub stops, institutes pre-pandemic, costs are down and it is a more efficient way to transport the kids. My HB DD takes the bus and picks it up at a hub stop. It also stops at the career center. At one time it stopped at the Arlington HS at the Langston building.

I'd rather start a discussion about how many parents drop their kids off at school - more cars on the road, more pollution, blocking intersections waiting for their kids at the end of the day.

So hub stop buses are more efficient than walking to school?

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

I complain about option school busing all the time.

You are misinformed about the busing. With hub stops, institutes pre-pandemic, costs are down and it is a more efficient way to transport the kids. My HB DD takes the bus and picks it up at a hub stop. It also stops at the career center. At one time it stopped at the Arlington HS at the Langston building.

I'd rather start a discussion about how many parents drop their kids off at school - more cars on the road, more pollution, blocking intersections waiting for their kids at the end of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:The building was needed whether for HB or Hamm. If you think the building was too much, go advocate to the board the next time they want to build a new building to lower the cost. The actual program doesn’t cost more than at a standard HS, other than busing. And I don’t see anyone complaining about the busing at Claremont, Key, MPSA, ATS, or Gunston.

And regarding busing, APS already owned the site and wanted to use it for a brand new school. Busing would have been a component whatever the program or school.

Not if they made it an elementary school, which is needed in Rosslyn

Oh right. Lots of 5, 6 and 7 year olds walking to and from school at that site. Have you actually been there? Walked around? I can't imagine many Arlington parents wanting their little ones walking to school in that quagmire of construction, sidewalks, and city mess. Plus, since HB opened at that location, there have been so many construction projects going on. It made sense to make it a school where older kids attended.