Anonymous wrote:Art, PE and Music elective classes should be pass/fail in high school. There is no reason to grade those classes. Students are required to take them as electives to graduate. Some kids are lucky because they have a natural talent or affinity for one or more of those areas, but for the rest of us, it really sucks to be graded. Better for kids to have exposure to these subjects than resent them because they get graded. However, AP Music Theory, AP Art History etc., are truly academic classes and of course should be graded.

Baloney. My kids are both extremely talented artists. But they didn't just naturally become talented. They worked incredibly hard and have put in hundreds and hundreds of hours, have taken classes, etc. Art should absolutely be graded. Kids who are good in math aren't just naturally good. They work dang hard at it. I'm not saying there isn't some natural gifting in any of these areas. But it's what you do with it that matters. PE, music, electives are all the same. The kids who stand out, who really stand out and earn the A's, they earned those A's. It's not like they were naturally bestowed with ability that came easy. They worked hard. In fact, my daughter has worked so hard in art, as well as many other classes, that she's been offered a spot in Yale's art program.

I can’t even imagine being an art teacher having to put up with these kinds of parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't the classes you're kid earned As in pass/ fail?
Maybe you passed your rigid thinking into your kid and they just aren't very creative.

Those kinds of classes don't belong in a public education curriculum. I agree with the PP that they should be P/F.

Yikes.

Double yikes! Holy crap, pp, people like you are what’s wrong with public education. You don’t value the arts. How else are vulnerable/underprivileged children going to access things like music and art education?? You are supremely selfish.

It would be nice if they also had time to learn to read too but with all these arts and sports that isn't happening.

Hahahahahaha yes, all the arts and sports. 45 minutes a week for each in ES, when they presumably "learn to read."

45 minutes a week?!? Electives are every day.

PP was saying 45 min/week in ES when students are also receiving reading instruction. And not all secondary schools have electives everyday. There are schools on block schedules with alternating days of 4 classes each.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words, OP’s kid took art because he thought it would be an easy A and now is upset that his bare minimum effort in only getting him Bs.

Art is required.

So? He still probably thought it would be an easy A because “any idiot can do art,” put in minimal effort and now is surprised it’s only earning him Bs.

And I doubt the B was a surprise.

Anonymous wrote:GPA doesn’t play a big role in art school admission or music school or recruitment for a Division I team…but it does impact admission to academic programs.

You have to be accepted to a university first and then the music school. It’s the same GPA and other requirements for music majors as it is for every other major at colleges and universities. PP is clearly ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words, OP’s kid took art because he thought it would be an easy A and now is upset that his bare minimum effort in only getting him Bs.

Art is required.

So? He still probably thought it would be an easy A because “any idiot can do art,” put in minimal effort and now is surprised it’s only earning him Bs.

Anonymous wrote:FTR, the class is ceramics. Ceramics. You do the best you can, and then the oven takes over.

Uhhhh are you a ceramicist? Because the kiln is a tool that can be controlled like any other tool.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words, OP’s kid took art because he thought it would be an easy A and now is upset that his bare minimum effort in only getting him Bs.

Art is required.

Where?

Reading instruction time? In high school? If somebody needs more time learning to read I hope they can get out of art and get a tutor. But please let’s not make everybody do more reading instruction. Reading is more important than art but time spent in instruction at some point has diminishing returns and kids need to use their minds in different ways.

Anonymous wrote:In other words, OP’s kid took art because he thought it would be an easy A and now is upset that his bare minimum effort in only getting him Bs.

Art is required.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't the classes you're kid earned As in pass/ fail?
Maybe you passed your rigid thinking into your kid and they just aren't very creative.

Those kinds of classes don't belong in a public education curriculum. I agree with the PP that they should be P/F.

Yikes.

Double yikes! Holy crap, pp, people like you are what’s wrong with public education. You don’t value the arts. How else are vulnerable/underprivileged children going to access things like music and art education?? You are supremely selfish.

It would be nice if they also had time to learn to read too but with all these arts and sports that isn't happening.

Hahahahahaha yes, all the arts and sports. 45 minutes a week for each in ES, when they presumably "learn to read."

45 minutes a week?!? Electives are every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't the classes you're kid earned As in pass/ fail?
Maybe you passed your rigid thinking into your kid and they just aren't very creative.

Those kinds of classes don't belong in a public education curriculum. I agree with the PP that they should be P/F.

Yikes.

Double yikes! Holy crap, pp, people like you are what’s wrong with public education. You don’t value the arts. How else are vulnerable/underprivileged children going to access things like music and art education?? You are supremely selfish.

It would be nice if they also had time to learn to read too but with all these arts and sports that isn't happening.

Hahahahahaha yes, all the arts and sports. 45 minutes a week for each in ES, when they presumably "learn to read."

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren't the classes you're kid earned As in pass/ fail?
Maybe you passed your rigid thinking into your kid and they just aren't very creative.

Those kinds of classes don't belong in a public education curriculum. I agree with the PP that they should be P/F.

Yikes.

Double yikes! Holy crap, pp, people like you are what’s wrong with public education. You don’t value the arts. How else are vulnerable/underprivileged children going to access things like music and art education?? You are supremely selfish.

It would be nice if they also had time to learn to read too but with all these arts and sports that isn't happening.

In other words, OP’s kid took art because he thought it would be an easy A and now is upset that his bare minimum effort in only getting him Bs.

Art, PE and Music elective classes should be pass/fail in high school. There is no reason to grade those classes. Students are required to take them as electives to graduate. Some kids are lucky because they have a natural talent or affinity for one or more of those areas, but for the rest of us, it really sucks to be graded. Better for kids to have exposure to these subjects than resent them because they get graded. However, AP Music Theory, AP Art History etc., are truly academic classes and of course should be graded.