Anonymous wrote:My elderly parents haven’t met my youngest child because of the risk of covid. We want to get them vaxxed asap.

And another reason we want them to get vaccinated is to lower the possibility of long term side effects. We are still leaning about what covid does to the brain but some studies show a loss of gray matter and it’s some worrisome stuff. I don’t want MY kids to be Guinea pigs for a new virus. If, god forbid, they get Parkinson’s in midlife and it turns out it was due to covid, they’ll be pissed we didn’t suffer a little more to protect them.

Spoiler alert. Vaccinated people get Covid too.

Your parents could die tomorrow. FFS, let them meet your baby.

Anonymous wrote:My elderly parents haven’t met my youngest child because of the risk of covid. We want to get them vaxxed asap.

And another reason we want them to get vaccinated is to lower the possibility of long term side effects. We are still leaning about what covid does to the brain but some studies show a loss of gray matter and it’s some worrisome stuff. I don’t want MY kids to be Guinea pigs for a new virus. If, god forbid, they get Parkinson’s in midlife and it turns out it was due to covid, they’ll be pissed we didn’t suffer a little more to protect them.

How old is your youngest child?

My elderly parents haven’t met my youngest child because of the risk of covid. We want to get them vaxxed asap.

And another reason we want them to get vaccinated is to lower the possibility of long term side effects. We are still leaning about what covid does to the brain but some studies show a loss of gray matter and it’s some worrisome stuff. I don’t want MY kids to be Guinea pigs for a new virus. If, god forbid, they get Parkinson’s in midlife and it turns out it was due to covid, they’ll be pissed we didn’t suffer a little more to protect them.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t gamble w my kids health, very much looking fwd to 4 and 2 yr old being vaxed —Doctor

Okay Doctor. Do you think your unvaxxed 4 and 2 year olds are more at risk from COVID than a vaccinated and boosted adult?

I don’t gamble w my kids health, very much looking fwd to 4 and 2 yr old being vaxed —Doctor

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Anonymous wrote:I want a vaccine desperately so my kid can stop masking at daycare (yes that’s the parameter the nutty parents have forced).

But no I won’t actually vaccinate my under 5 year old. This disease is a cold, old and immunocompromised people (and here and there, a few healthy people) die from colds and that’s that. I’m triple vaxxed, but not risking side effects for something unneeded that likely doesn’t work for my toddler. It’s time to move on, no masks, no restrictions, and if hospitals surge refuse entry to any unvaccinated adults.

Yup same. Tired of the masks in toddler, tired of the quarantine policy that doesn’t give credit for them wearing masks, tire of seemingly being the only parent who has an issue with both these things! Everyone else at our daycare is seemingly cool with all this until the kids can be “protected” by a potentially ineffective vaccine.

Why in the world haven't you switched to a different daycare? Or hired a nanny? Or hell, quit your job or have your spouse quit their job (and don't give me the "we can't afford it." I would live in a studio apartment and eat nothing but pb&j for months to avoid putting my kid in the hell you describe!)

Dramatic much? Kids throughout history have been through far worse than wearing masks. You sound entitled. Most kids don’t even mind them.

My 3 year old is very happy to not be wearing a mask. And no, we haven't been telling her masks are bad. She figured out all by herself that it's uncomfortable, and as her parents, we listened.

Our daycare is no longer requiring masks but nearly everyone (kids, teachers) are still masking anyway. My 3yo is literally the only one in their class not wearing one. So yay more comfortable for them I guess but I always felt the bigger downside was not being able to see the faces of others. At least they take them off for eating and outside play. This are is just so weird though.

Anonymous wrote:You all are insane. My 4-nearly-5 kid has been in preschool, we’ve done many outdoor and some indoor playdates, kept life as close to normal as we could other than those first few weeks between March-May 2020. I can’t believe you don’t see how much of a disservice you are doing to your child just to satisfy your own anxiety

plus a million and I’m a democrat

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Anonymous wrote:I would feel so much better if my little kids could be vaccinated.

JFC why??

plus 1. People in this area are just annoying. Your kids are fine. Let them be kids

I will most likely not give my toddlers this vaccine until it’s been out for a few years. I’m ok with myself being a Guinea pig, but not my kids. Besides, their risk is like .00001% fatality rate or something extremely low. We’ll be ok.

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Anonymous wrote:I think what’s happening is that the risk of severe illness for young kids was already so low that it’s hard for the vaccines to be deemed worth their very small risk of adverse side effects in trials.

The good news is the risk is really low. Also it’s clear now after Omicron that vaccines aren’t going to keep us from transmitting it anyway. So what we need is very low risk of severe illness which we get from vaccines and little kids get from their age. So we’re there either way. And ftr yes I will be first in line with my kid if/when it’s approved. But I think we’re fine either way baring new and different variants.

This. I wouldn't worry about it, OP.

But then when can the young kids stop masking? And quarantining? I am not at all worried about medical effects of infection, but these rules we have created need to end.

Yeah this is pretty much of equal, if not more, concern to me. The masking for 2 year olds (!!), the crazy quarantining…these are tremendous disruptions in my life. If we had treated this more like another state or country, where we actually prioritized the needs of small children and families, I’d feel differently.

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I have friends and family in other countries and none of them are chomping at the bit for an under-5 vaccine. Many of them have kids under 12 and have not vaccinated them yet, not because they don't want to but because many countries don't even recommend vaccines for that age group unless they are in a high risk group or live with someone who is a immunocompromised. It's just a totally different attitude about vaccines for kids, even though all the adults in question are vaccinated.

And I think the reason why is that none of them have lived with such lengthy school closures, or masking of 2 and 3 year olds, or these intense quarantines for every positive case. Some of these countries did more restrictive lockdowns in response to the initial wave and the subsequent surges, but some didn't. And importantly, those lockdowns were imposed on everyone equally (so unvaccinated kids weren't uniquely imposed on) and were supported by other government action to ease some of the burden.

In the US we've heavily burdened families with young kids without offering much in the way of support, and I think it makes people desperate for a silver bullet that will relieve them of this burden. I wish vaccines WERE that silver bullet, but they clearly aren't. The real silver bullet is admitting that Covid is not that dangerous for very young kids, and also recognizing that while kids might spread Covid to adults, vaccines work pretty well for adults. We'll never lower risk to zero, but most children in this country could be living fairly normal lives without being exposed to serious risks or contributing much to overall risk to adults. But we're still so far from accepting this. Everyone is so out of whack.

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Anonymous wrote:I think what’s happening is that the risk of severe illness for young kids was already so low that it’s hard for the vaccines to be deemed worth their very small risk of adverse side effects in trials.

The good news is the risk is really low. Also it’s clear now after Omicron that vaccines aren’t going to keep us from transmitting it anyway. So what we need is very low risk of severe illness which we get from vaccines and little kids get from their age. So we’re there either way. And ftr yes I will be first in line with my kid if/when it’s approved. But I think we’re fine either way baring new and different variants.

This. I wouldn't worry about it, OP.

But then when can the young kids stop masking? And quarantining? I am not at all worried about medical effects of infection, but these rules we have created need to end.

Yeah this is pretty much of equal, if not more, concern to me. The masking for 2 year olds (!!), the crazy quarantining…these are tremendous disruptions in my life. If we had treated this more like another state or country, where we actually prioritized the needs of small children and families, I’d feel differently.

Anonymous wrote:I wish that either they would make a car that could guarantee my 4 yr olds safety, or that we always had safer alternative modes of transportation.

I wish my kid's school had access to the kind of resources that wealthy publics and private schools did, because these children are so wonderful and deserve enrichment programs and properly staffed classrooms too.

I wish it was easier to provide nutritious meals to me kid. We work hard at it but it's still hard -- we work full time and are on a budget and sometimes we do as well as we'd like.

I can't imagine worrying about accesses too and ineffective vaccine for a virus that rarely impacts children at all. Just baffling. How is this your priority?!

People can hold multiple thoughts in their head at once. It may be hard for you, but others can care about all of those things— and more.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a vaccine desperately so my kid can stop masking at daycare (yes that’s the parameter the nutty parents have forced).

But no I won’t actually vaccinate my under 5 year old. This disease is a cold, old and immunocompromised people (and here and there, a few healthy people) die from colds and that’s that. I’m triple vaxxed, but not risking side effects for something unneeded that likely doesn’t work for my toddler. It’s time to move on, no masks, no restrictions, and if hospitals surge refuse entry to any unvaccinated adults.

Yup same. Tired of the masks in toddler, tired of the quarantine policy that doesn’t give credit for them wearing masks, tire of seemingly being the only parent who has an issue with both these things! Everyone else at our daycare is seemingly cool with all this until the kids can be “protected” by a potentially ineffective vaccine.

Why in the world haven't you switched to a different daycare? Or hired a nanny? Or hell, quit your job or have your spouse quit their job (and don't give me the "we can't afford it." I would live in a studio apartment and eat nothing but pb&j for months to avoid putting my kid in the hell you describe!)

DP- because uprooting a child like that also has its drawbacks. I’m willing to be that if I have my 4yo the choice between staying with her friends/teachers while continuing to wear a mask vs. a new daycare (or nanny with no other kids) with no masks, she’d choose the former.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a vaccine desperately so my kid can stop masking at daycare (yes that’s the parameter the nutty parents have forced).

But no I won’t actually vaccinate my under 5 year old. This disease is a cold, old and immunocompromised people (and here and there, a few healthy people) die from colds and that’s that. I’m triple vaxxed, but not risking side effects for something unneeded that likely doesn’t work for my toddler. It’s time to move on, no masks, no restrictions, and if hospitals surge refuse entry to any unvaccinated adults.

Yup same. Tired of the masks in toddler, tired of the quarantine policy that doesn’t give credit for them wearing masks, tire of seemingly being the only parent who has an issue with both these things! Everyone else at our daycare is seemingly cool with all this until the kids can be “protected” by a potentially ineffective vaccine.

Why in the world haven't you switched to a different daycare? Or hired a nanny? Or hell, quit your job or have your spouse quit their job (and don't give me the "we can't afford it." I would live in a studio apartment and eat nothing but pb&j for months to avoid putting my kid in the hell you describe!)

Dramatic much? Kids throughout history have been through far worse than wearing masks. You sound entitled. Most kids don’t even mind them.

My 3 year old is very happy to not be wearing a mask. And no, we haven't been telling her masks are bad. She figured out all by herself that it's uncomfortable, and as her parents, we listened.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a vaccine desperately so my kid can stop masking at daycare (yes that’s the parameter the nutty parents have forced).

But no I won’t actually vaccinate my under 5 year old. This disease is a cold, old and immunocompromised people (and here and there, a few healthy people) die from colds and that’s that. I’m triple vaxxed, but not risking side effects for something unneeded that likely doesn’t work for my toddler. It’s time to move on, no masks, no restrictions, and if hospitals surge refuse entry to any unvaccinated adults.

Yup same. Tired of the masks in toddler, tired of the quarantine policy that doesn’t give credit for them wearing masks, tire of seemingly being the only parent who has an issue with both these things! Everyone else at our daycare is seemingly cool with all this until the kids can be “protected” by a potentially ineffective vaccine.

Why in the world haven't you switched to a different daycare? Or hired a nanny? Or hell, quit your job or have your spouse quit their job (and don't give me the "we can't afford it." I would live in a studio apartment and eat nothing but pb&j for months to avoid putting my kid in the hell you describe!)

Dramatic much? Kids throughout history have been through far worse than wearing masks. You sound entitled. Most kids don’t even mind them.

Ugh. I love these arguments that kids survive wars and turn out “just fine”, so we should mask toddlers indefinitely for zero benefit. Kids who live through wars are NOT fine, btw.