Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My youngest is in elementary and oldest now in MS but pvt. I would say that public elementary for us wasn’t bad. It wasn’t OMG amazing and I do not drink the KoolAid that most In my community to on public schools here. I would say that George Mason and Barrett are relatively strong. What makes the, really nice is the strong PTA and community. The families here are warm, educated and kids are well adjusted and just really good kids. A close knit community. Academically it’s not academically strong but I’m not that parent that wants my kid to go to Catholic school and know 8th grade vocabulary words in 5th grade. My expectations are for love of learning, engaging and caring teachers and a really healthy social experience. These boxes are checked.
Where things are wrong is more the public curriculum of all the SOL and MAP testing, the work is just really not that hard and the TAG program is not productive in who gets n. The idea of academic equity is ridiculous. Getting everyone to the same level should not be goal rather promoting excellence among all. So philosophically ACOS has a problem there.
But I have told you about the pros and cons we experienced. In terms of MS, I have friends whose kids do great there. You really have to be a well adjuster, very mature and responsible kid who is going to be in honors classes to make it there. If so, it will likely be fine. I would never put my kids there but if they were like perfect kids maybe I would reconsider but I would still be uneasy about it. That’s me. I have pretty high standards when it comes to conceptual learning ~ that is ~ I want more than just transactional pass a test learning. Esp after grade school, personally I think it’s too overwhelming socially with 599 kids per grade on each floor.
We are going to however try to get ours back in public for HS.
A lot depends on your kids. ACPS is not a strong public system in total, but Alex is a really great place to be. We would never want to live in Arl or Falls Church or Fairfax. We are city folk. But I would say that by MS you’d be hard pressed to keep kids in public. I did A lOT of research into the various public elementary school systems around NOVA and if you are strictly concerned about academics, run away from Alex public schools. But if it’s more than just that you seek, elementary I think is good enough.
Thank you for this very balanced, kind and honest post & while I agree with much of it, I have to disagree with you about George Mason.
It's not a good school. Math instruction is particularly weak. Good teachers were run off by the previous principal.
Some current teachers are so obsessed with equity that they refuse to help students because that's "not equitable". When they asked a question, my child was told by their math teacher, "too bad. you must not have been paying attention. you'll have to figure it out."
The "grading" is wildly inconsistent since there isn't a standard (this may be more of a ACPS problem). No homework (that's inequitable too). Never saw a test or any classroom work after kinder. Our fourth grade homeroom teacher lied to me for months on an issue and the administration wouldn't provide any resolution. In fact, they didn't seem concerned at all or see an issue.
Friends with kids in other ACPS ES assure me that it isn't like that at their schools.
It's pretty telling that GM had the most departures over the last two years of any ES in ACPS.
I know test scores aren't the end all and be all but check out the proficiency numbers on the VA DOE website over the years, including pre-pandemic. The results are pretty awful.
These are such privileged white family complaints. You want to see what equity really looks like in ACPS? It’s all the white kids leaving for tag and all the brown and black kids staying behind.
Devil’s advocate: what are they supposed to do if the black and brown kids don’t get the CogAT scores to test into TAG?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My youngest is in elementary and oldest now in MS but pvt. I would say that public elementary for us wasn’t bad. It wasn’t OMG amazing and I do not drink the KoolAid that most In my community to on public schools here. I would say that George Mason and Barrett are relatively strong. What makes the, really nice is the strong PTA and community. The families here are warm, educated and kids are well adjusted and just really good kids. A close knit community. Academically it’s not academically strong but I’m not that parent that wants my kid to go to Catholic school and know 8th grade vocabulary words in 5th grade. My expectations are for love of learning, engaging and caring teachers and a really healthy social experience. These boxes are checked.
Where things are wrong is more the public curriculum of all the SOL and MAP testing, the work is just really not that hard and the TAG program is not productive in who gets n. The idea of academic equity is ridiculous. Getting everyone to the same level should not be goal rather promoting excellence among all. So philosophically ACOS has a problem there.
But I have told you about the pros and cons we experienced. In terms of MS, I have friends whose kids do great there. You really have to be a well adjuster, very mature and responsible kid who is going to be in honors classes to make it there. If so, it will likely be fine. I would never put my kids there but if they were like perfect kids maybe I would reconsider but I would still be uneasy about it. That’s me. I have pretty high standards when it comes to conceptual learning ~ that is ~ I want more than just transactional pass a test learning. Esp after grade school, personally I think it’s too overwhelming socially with 599 kids per grade on each floor.
We are going to however try to get ours back in public for HS.
A lot depends on your kids. ACPS is not a strong public system in total, but Alex is a really great place to be. We would never want to live in Arl or Falls Church or Fairfax. We are city folk. But I would say that by MS you’d be hard pressed to keep kids in public. I did A lOT of research into the various public elementary school systems around NOVA and if you are strictly concerned about academics, run away from Alex public schools. But if it’s more than just that you seek, elementary I think is good enough.
Thank you for this very balanced, kind and honest post & while I agree with much of it, I have to disagree with you about George Mason.
It's not a good school. Math instruction is particularly weak. Good teachers were run off by the previous principal.
Some current teachers are so obsessed with equity that they refuse to help students because that's "not equitable". When they asked a question, my child was told by their math teacher, "too bad. you must not have been paying attention. you'll have to figure it out."
The "grading" is wildly inconsistent since there isn't a standard (this may be more of a ACPS problem). No homework (that's inequitable too). Never saw a test or any classroom work after kinder. Our fourth grade homeroom teacher lied to me for months on an issue and the administration wouldn't provide any resolution. In fact, they didn't seem concerned at all or see an issue.
Friends with kids in other ACPS ES assure me that it isn't like that at their schools.
It's pretty telling that GM had the most departures over the last two years of any ES in ACPS.
I know test scores aren't the end all and be all but check out the proficiency numbers on the VA DOE website over the years, including pre-pandemic. The results are pretty awful.
These are such privileged white family complaints. You want to see what equity really looks like in ACPS? It’s all the white kids leaving for tag and all the brown and black kids staying behind.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My youngest is in elementary and oldest now in MS but pvt. I would say that public elementary for us wasn’t bad. It wasn’t OMG amazing and I do not drink the KoolAid that most In my community to on public schools here. I would say that George Mason and Barrett are relatively strong. What makes the, really nice is the strong PTA and community. The families here are warm, educated and kids are well adjusted and just really good kids. A close knit community. Academically it’s not academically strong but I’m not that parent that wants my kid to go to Catholic school and know 8th grade vocabulary words in 5th grade. My expectations are for love of learning, engaging and caring teachers and a really healthy social experience. These boxes are checked.
Where things are wrong is more the public curriculum of all the SOL and MAP testing, the work is just really not that hard and the TAG program is not productive in who gets n. The idea of academic equity is ridiculous. Getting everyone to the same level should not be goal rather promoting excellence among all. So philosophically ACOS has a problem there.
But I have told you about the pros and cons we experienced. In terms of MS, I have friends whose kids do great there. You really have to be a well adjuster, very mature and responsible kid who is going to be in honors classes to make it there. If so, it will likely be fine. I would never put my kids there but if they were like perfect kids maybe I would reconsider but I would still be uneasy about it. That’s me. I have pretty high standards when it comes to conceptual learning ~ that is ~ I want more than just transactional pass a test learning. Esp after grade school, personally I think it’s too overwhelming socially with 599 kids per grade on each floor.
We are going to however try to get ours back in public for HS.
A lot depends on your kids. ACPS is not a strong public system in total, but Alex is a really great place to be. We would never want to live in Arl or Falls Church or Fairfax. We are city folk. But I would say that by MS you’d be hard pressed to keep kids in public. I did A lOT of research into the various public elementary school systems around NOVA and if you are strictly concerned about academics, run away from Alex public schools. But if it’s more than just that you seek, elementary I think is good enough.
Thank you for this very balanced, kind and honest post & while I agree with much of it, I have to disagree with you about George Mason.
It's not a good school. Math instruction is particularly weak. Good teachers were run off by the previous principal.
Some current teachers are so obsessed with equity that they refuse to help students because that's "not equitable". When they asked a question, my child was told by their math teacher, "too bad. you must not have been paying attention. you'll have to figure it out."
The "grading" is wildly inconsistent since there isn't a standard (this may be more of a ACPS problem). No homework (that's inequitable too). Never saw a test or any classroom work after kinder. Our fourth grade homeroom teacher lied to me for months on an issue and the administration wouldn't provide any resolution. In fact, they didn't seem concerned at all or see an issue.
Friends with kids in other ACPS ES assure me that it isn't like that at their schools.
It's pretty telling that GM had the most departures over the last two years of any ES in ACPS.
I know test scores aren't the end all and be all but check out the proficiency numbers on the VA DOE website over the years, including pre-pandemic. The results are pretty awful.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My youngest is in elementary and oldest now in MS but pvt. I would say that public elementary for us wasn’t bad. It wasn’t OMG amazing and I do not drink the KoolAid that most In my community to on public schools here. I would say that George Mason and Barrett are relatively strong. What makes the, really nice is the strong PTA and community. The families here are warm, educated and kids are well adjusted and just really good kids. A close knit community. Academically it’s not academically strong but I’m not that parent that wants my kid to go to Catholic school and know 8th grade vocabulary words in 5th grade. My expectations are for love of learning, engaging and caring teachers and a really healthy social experience. These boxes are checked.
Where things are wrong is more the public curriculum of all the SOL and MAP testing, the work is just really not that hard and the TAG program is not productive in who gets n. The idea of academic equity is ridiculous. Getting everyone to the same level should not be goal rather promoting excellence among all. So philosophically ACOS has a problem there.
But I have told you about the pros and cons we experienced. In terms of MS, I have friends whose kids do great there. You really have to be a well adjuster, very mature and responsible kid who is going to be in honors classes to make it there. If so, it will likely be fine. I would never put my kids there but if they were like perfect kids maybe I would reconsider but I would still be uneasy about it. That’s me. I have pretty high standards when it comes to conceptual learning ~ that is ~ I want more than just transactional pass a test learning. Esp after grade school, personally I think it’s too overwhelming socially with 599 kids per grade on each floor.
We are going to however try to get ours back in public for HS.
A lot depends on your kids. ACPS is not a strong public system in total, but Alex is a really great place to be. We would never want to live in Arl or Falls Church or Fairfax. We are city folk. But I would say that by MS you’d be hard pressed to keep kids in public. I did A lOT of research into the various public elementary school systems around NOVA and if you are strictly concerned about academics, run away from Alex public schools. But if it’s more than just that you seek, elementary I think is good enough.
Thank you for this very balanced, kind and honest post & while I agree with much of it, I have to disagree with you about George Mason.
It's not a good school. Math instruction is particularly weak. Good teachers were run off by the previous principal.
Some current teachers are so obsessed with equity that they refuse to help students because that's "not equitable". When they asked a question, my child was told by their math teacher, "too bad. you must not have been paying attention. you'll have to figure it out."
The "grading" is wildly inconsistent since there isn't a standard (this may be more of a ACPS problem). No homework (that's inequitable too). Never saw a test or any classroom work after kinder. Our fourth grade homeroom teacher lied to me for months on an issue and the administration wouldn't provide any resolution. In fact, they didn't seem concerned at all or see an issue.
Friends with kids in other ACPS ES assure me that it isn't like that at their schools.
It's pretty telling that GM had the most departures over the last two years of any ES in ACPS.
I know test scores aren't the end all and be all but check out the proficiency numbers on the VA DOE website over the years, including pre-pandemic. The results are pretty awful.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op, we were in the MacArthur district for several years with two in that school.
What you will find is the more affluent (white) schools you have targeted for ES are fine. But when the elementary schools consolidate into middle school, the poverty and all its attendant issues present themselves more plainly. And so by about third grade, you start to see families exiting ACPS, either to privates or moving to Arlington, Fairfax or Loudoun. It is true that some of these moves are based on perception of future risk rather than reality — your kid CAN and WILL get a good education at the middle schools and high school. But they will have to operate in kind of a bubble to do so. Remember this whenever people extol “diversity” as a virtue — if their kids are high achievers, they are probably segregated within school from the lower-achieving students, who also happen to be poor and brown.
It’s a weird dynamic, for sure. There is some thinking that if you can excel in a school like that, it looks attractive to colleges. But I consider that to be kind of a cynical perspective as high school shouldn’t be something to endure.
Unfortunately, affluenza is an issue too in some of the schools these people transfer to.
Hard to get the balance right.
Yea I don't really get the "diversity" cult in Alexandria when there is a pretty visible racial achievement gap and the way to get a good education is to segregate. Seems a bit 1950s-ish just without the blatant racism.
I agree except I think it is pretty blatant albeit under the guise of "look, we have a black superintendent" so we aren't racist at all. <blink blink side eye smirk>
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op, we were in the MacArthur district for several years with two in that school.
What you will find is the more affluent (white) schools you have targeted for ES are fine. But when the elementary schools consolidate into middle school, the poverty and all its attendant issues present themselves more plainly. And so by about third grade, you start to see families exiting ACPS, either to privates or moving to Arlington, Fairfax or Loudoun. It is true that some of these moves are based on perception of future risk rather than reality — your kid CAN and WILL get a good education at the middle schools and high school. But they will have to operate in kind of a bubble to do so. Remember this whenever people extol “diversity” as a virtue — if their kids are high achievers, they are probably segregated within school from the lower-achieving students, who also happen to be poor and brown.
It’s a weird dynamic, for sure. There is some thinking that if you can excel in a school like that, it looks attractive to colleges. But I consider that to be kind of a cynical perspective as high school shouldn’t be something to endure.
Unfortunately, affluenza is an issue too in some of the schools these people transfer to.
Hard to get the balance right.
Yea I don't really get the "diversity" cult in Alexandria when there is a pretty visible racial achievement gap and the way to get a good education is to segregate. Seems a bit 1950s-ish just without the blatant racism.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op, we were in the MacArthur district for several years with two in that school.
What you will find is the more affluent (white) schools you have targeted for ES are fine. But when the elementary schools consolidate into middle school, the poverty and all its attendant issues present themselves more plainly. And so by about third grade, you start to see families exiting ACPS, either to privates or moving to Arlington, Fairfax or Loudoun. It is true that some of these moves are based on perception of future risk rather than reality — your kid CAN and WILL get a good education at the middle schools and high school. But they will have to operate in kind of a bubble to do so. Remember this whenever people extol “diversity” as a virtue — if their kids are high achievers, they are probably segregated within school from the lower-achieving students, who also happen to be poor and brown.
It’s a weird dynamic, for sure. There is some thinking that if you can excel in a school like that, it looks attractive to colleges. But I consider that to be kind of a cynical perspective as high school shouldn’t be something to endure.
Unfortunately, affluenza is an issue too in some of the schools these people transfer to.
Hard to get the balance right.
Yea I don't really get the "diversity" cult in Alexandria when there is a pretty visible racial achievement gap and the way to get a good education is to segregate. Seems a bit 1950s-ish just without the blatant racism.
Anonymous wrote:Op, we were in the MacArthur district for several years with two in that school.
What you will find is the more affluent (white) schools you have targeted for ES are fine. But when the elementary schools consolidate into middle school, the poverty and all its attendant issues present themselves more plainly. And so by about third grade, you start to see families exiting ACPS, either to privates or moving to Arlington, Fairfax or Loudoun. It is true that some of these moves are based on perception of future risk rather than reality — your kid CAN and WILL get a good education at the middle schools and high school. But they will have to operate in kind of a bubble to do so. Remember this whenever people extol “diversity” as a virtue — if their kids are high achievers, they are probably segregated within school from the lower-achieving students, who also happen to be poor and brown.
It’s a weird dynamic, for sure. There is some thinking that if you can excel in a school like that, it looks attractive to colleges. But I consider that to be kind of a cynical perspective as high school shouldn’t be something to endure.
Unfortunately, affluenza is an issue too in some of the schools these people transfer to.
Hard to get the balance right.
Anonymous wrote:My youngest is in elementary and oldest now in MS but pvt. I would say that public elementary for us wasn’t bad. It wasn’t OMG amazing and I do not drink the KoolAid that most In my community to on public schools here. I would say that George Mason and Barrett are relatively strong. What makes the, really nice is the strong PTA and community. The families here are warm, educated and kids are well adjusted and just really good kids. A close knit community. Academically it’s not academically strong but I’m not that parent that wants my kid to go to Catholic school and know 8th grade vocabulary words in 5th grade. My expectations are for love of learning, engaging and caring teachers and a really healthy social experience. These boxes are checked.
Where things are wrong is more the public curriculum of all the SOL and MAP testing, the work is just really not that hard and the TAG program is not productive in who gets n. The idea of academic equity is ridiculous. Getting everyone to the same level should not be goal rather promoting excellence among all. So philosophically ACOS has a problem there.
But I have told you about the pros and cons we experienced. In terms of MS, I have friends whose kids do great there. You really have to be a well adjuster, very mature and responsible kid who is going to be in honors classes to make it there. If so, it will likely be fine. I would never put my kids there but if they were like perfect kids maybe I would reconsider but I would still be uneasy about it. That’s me. I have pretty high standards when it comes to conceptual learning ~ that is ~ I want more than just transactional pass a test learning. Esp after grade school, personally I think it’s too overwhelming socially with 599 kids per grade on each floor.
We are going to however try to get ours back in public for HS.
A lot depends on your kids. ACPS is not a strong public system in total, but Alex is a really great place to be. We would never want to live in Arl or Falls Church or Fairfax. We are city folk. But I would say that by MS you’d be hard pressed to keep kids in public. I did A lOT of research into the various public elementary school systems around NOVA and if you are strictly concerned about academics, run away from Alex public schools. But if it’s more than just that you seek, elementary I think is good enough.
Anonymous wrote:I don't know but it should be fun to watch tonight if the same SB that buried a violent rape of a 14 year old girl will vote to keep SROs out of schools.
Anonymous wrote:Empty platitudes on equity and “everyone succeeds” mottos.
Wasted money on pointless initiatives, useless resources, overpaid consultants, and worthless curricula (that do nothing to advance equity or academic success).
Underfunded capital resources.
Lack of transparency and accountability.
Overpaid high-level underperforming, unqualified management.
Underpaid, disenfranchised and disempowered mid level managers and line staff.
These problems existed before Hutchings, but he has made all of them worse.