Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wootton wasn't renovated because it has the highest Asian population within MCPS.
If anyone doesn't believe this, then go ahead and explain why other (newer) schools have been renovated - I'm interested to hear your version of events!
Where do you come up with this?
Yet you didn't answer the question. Provide one good reason.
Overcrowded schools get revexed first.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wootton wasn't renovated because it has the highest Asian population within MCPS.
If anyone doesn't believe this, then go ahead and explain why other (newer) schools have been renovated - I'm interested to hear your version of events!
Where do you come up with this?
Yet you didn't answer the question. Provide one good reason.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wootton wasn't renovated because it has the highest Asian population within MCPS.
If anyone doesn't believe this, then go ahead and explain why other (newer) schools have been renovated - I'm interested to hear your version of events!
Where do you come up with this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Of course it matters in terms of whether a school is good. But, the score being high because of RMIB students doesn't matter in terms of comparing one school over another. Some people think RM isn't good, and the *only* reason why scores are good is because RMIB. I'm saying: why does it matter if RM scores are good only because of RMIB? Like I stated, it's like saying W schools are only good because of the UMC families.
RM is a great choice because of the diversity and the option for students to join IB starting from 11th. IMO, part of the reason why a school is good is because of the program it offers.
Of course it matters. It matters a lot. If you are considering or recommending RM (non magnet), parents have to understand how good/bad non-magnet portion of school is. And guess what, without sitting in the same classroom day in and day out, avg test score is an excellent way to tell.
I can tell you know nothing about RM.
IB magnet students take a lot of AP classes, with non IB students. Guess what? The AP participation and exam rate at RM is pretty high.
My kid loves RM. DC has a friend at Wootton, and they compare.
Okay. My two kids graduated from RM. I know RM but whatever.
Then your kids either never took AP classes or told you that there were IB students in their classes, or they graduated eons ago.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Of course it matters in terms of whether a school is good. But, the score being high because of RMIB students doesn't matter in terms of comparing one school over another. Some people think RM isn't good, and the *only* reason why scores are good is because RMIB. I'm saying: why does it matter if RM scores are good only because of RMIB? Like I stated, it's like saying W schools are only good because of the UMC families.
RM is a great choice because of the diversity and the option for students to join IB starting from 11th. IMO, part of the reason why a school is good is because of the program it offers.
Of course it matters. It matters a lot. If you are considering or recommending RM (non magnet), parents have to understand how good/bad non-magnet portion of school is. And guess what, without sitting in the same classroom day in and day out, avg test score is an excellent way to tell.
I can tell you know nothing about RM.
IB magnet students take a lot of AP classes, with non IB students. Guess what? The AP participation and exam rate at RM is pretty high.
My kid loves RM. DC has a friend at Wootton, and they compare.
Okay. My two kids graduated from RM. I know RM but whatever.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Of course it matters in terms of whether a school is good. But, the score being high because of RMIB students doesn't matter in terms of comparing one school over another. Some people think RM isn't good, and the *only* reason why scores are good is because RMIB. I'm saying: why does it matter if RM scores are good only because of RMIB? Like I stated, it's like saying W schools are only good because of the UMC families.
RM is a great choice because of the diversity and the option for students to join IB starting from 11th. IMO, part of the reason why a school is good is because of the program it offers.
Of course it matters. It matters a lot. If you are considering or recommending RM (non magnet), parents have to understand how good/bad non-magnet portion of school is. And guess what, without sitting in the same classroom day in and day out, avg test score is an excellent way to tell.
I can tell you know nothing about RM.
IB magnet students take a lot of AP classes, with non IB students. Guess what? The AP participation and exam rate at RM is pretty high.
My kid loves RM. DC has a friend at Wootton, and they compare.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Of course it matters in terms of whether a school is good. But, the score being high because of RMIB students doesn't matter in terms of comparing one school over another. Some people think RM isn't good, and the *only* reason why scores are good is because RMIB. I'm saying: why does it matter if RM scores are good only because of RMIB? Like I stated, it's like saying W schools are only good because of the UMC families.
RM is a great choice because of the diversity and the option for students to join IB starting from 11th. IMO, part of the reason why a school is good is because of the program it offers.
Of course it matters. It matters a lot. If you are considering or recommending RM (non magnet), parents have to understand how good/bad non-magnet portion of school is. And guess what, without sitting in the same classroom day in and day out, avg test score is an excellent way to tell.
Anonymous wrote:Wootton wasn't renovated because it has the highest Asian population within MCPS.
If anyone doesn't believe this, then go ahead and explain why other (newer) schools have been renovated - I'm interested to hear your version of events!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Of course it matters in terms of whether a school is good. But, the score being high because of RMIB students doesn't matter in terms of comparing one school over another. Some people think RM isn't good, and the *only* reason why scores are good is because RMIB. I'm saying: why does it matter if RM scores are good only because of RMIB? Like I stated, it's like saying W schools are only good because of the UMC families.
RM is a great choice because of the diversity and the option for students to join IB starting from 11th. IMO, part of the reason why a school is good is because of the program it offers.
Anonymous wrote:Wootton wasn't renovated because it has the highest Asian population within MCPS.
If anyone doesn't believe this, then go ahead and explain why other (newer) schools have been renovated - I'm interested to hear your version of events!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It does not have better programs, and the HS is crumbling, slated for CIP in a few years. Sorely needed, from what I hear.
If you believe this will be built anytime soon I have a bridge in Brooklyn that may interest you. Classic ignoring of middle class. Whitman got it’s second addition. Gaithersburg brand new. Nothing for this place. It is disgusting!
It’s a wealthy school. Not middle class.
Came here to say the same thing. Entitled and wealthy. When the Wootton cluster testified to the Board of Education that they were being ignored while Whitman was getting an addition it was because they were the "miserable middle-class." So clueless.
Capacity has always trumped aging buildings. Ask Lee Middle School, who had no sprinkler system for ages (massive fire hazzard). And the school with a room with a dirt floor. And Damascus. And Poolesville. Sure, Wootton was next on the list to be renovated (along with Damascus and Poolesville), when the geniuses in the Real Estate Dept pulled the rug out from under them and changed the system for renovations. There is always a school that is next to be dealt with that is in the worst shape, and many others underneath.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".
It is totally skewed by RMIB kids. Why would that matter? If you don't think that matters, why would parents try to find a best school/program for their kids? Like you have done with your kid.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:News flash. People like being around people that look and act like they do. Shared language, culture and priorities bind people together. The idea of a hugely diverse and integrated culture is lovely but not completely realistic.
It can never be perfect, the but there are a couple of schools that are waaay more diverse than Wootton, and they are right next to Wootton -- RM, QO, Northwest.
Unless RM/IB, no way I am picking one of those over Wotton. Not even close.
You need to educate yourself about RM and stop trashing it. Given the economic diversity at RM, I'd say it is VERY close.
2019 AP scores:
Percentage of males at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.7%); Wootton (87.3%)
Percentage of females at the school who took at least one AP exam and passed: RM (83.9%); Wootton (86.8%)
By race:
At RM, whites and Hispanics scored higher than their counterparts at Wootton
At Wootton, Asians and African Americans scored higher than their counterparts at RM
% of AP tests with passing scores (3-5)
Wootton - 88.6%
Whitman - 88.3%
Poolesville - 87.9%
Blair - 87.1%
WJ - 86.2%
Churchill - 83.6%
RM - 81%
BCC - 78.0%
Scores at QO and Northwest were substantially lower than at Wootton and RM.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf
Thank you for posting this. We are zoned for Wootton but have thought about moving into the RM zone. RM's stats are very impressive.
RM parent here.. I'm sure someone will say that the RM stats are skewed by RMIB students (my kid is one), but honestly, why would that matter? It's like saying Wootton scores are skewed because all the UMC families. In cluster students can join the IB program in 11th grade (must have the grades and recs) So, really, the fact that RM has an IB magnet program is a plus.
RM is very diverse, both racially and SES, and the scores reflect that diversity. Even so, a ton of students, including non IB students, do take AP classes/tests. It's a great school, even with all the issues. Main St is awesome, and my kid loves that they get open lunch. There are so many active clubs, and the diversity means any student can find their "tribe".