Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:38
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If he lets the trucker convoy snarl the NoVA beltway that will also hurt him significantly.
Yup.
LOL Nothing compares to a U.S. Senator being locked in traffic in VA for 27-hours on the way to a vote with nothing but an orange to eat. Sorry.
You know, most people can understand the difference between a snow storm and a bunch of snowflakes being allowed to throw a tantrum over nothing while the rest of us try to live our lives.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:32
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If he lets the trucker convoy snarl the NoVA beltway that will also hurt him significantly.
Yup.
LOL Nothing compares to a U.S. Senator being locked in traffic in VA for 27-hours on the way to a vote with nothing but an orange to eat. Sorry.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:29
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:If he lets the trucker convoy snarl the NoVA beltway that will also hurt him significantly.
Yup.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:28
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He’ll be elected president in 2024. Parents are tired of being silenced.
Such a stupid comment. This will never happen. The nominee will be Trump or DeSantis.
I think you'll be surprised. As a moderate, I'll happily cross parties and vote for Youngkin. But never Trump or DeSantis.
Moderate Democrats don’t decide who wins the Republican nomination.
You're right - they don't.
This is more about trump being done vs republicans not wanting to destroy the country. Oh and no moderate dem would even consider voting for youngkin. Maybe a a “moderate” trumper would but not a moderate democrat.
Okay. Check those VA exit polls again. Trust me, Youngkin didn't win just with Republicans.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/november/exit-polls
DP. Exit polls are now three months old and tell us nothing about what Youngkin has done since taking office. Current approval polls like OP posted are much more relevant to public sentiment today.
Well he has secured a major political victory in removing all mask mandates in the state for one and has the Democrats in the U.S. Senate copying him and trying to implement a FEDERAL gas tax holiday for another. All in under 30 days. I'd say he's pretty successful. But keep whining, its not working, but its entertaining.
He didn't "secure a major political victory" with the mask mandates thing. He issued an "executive order" and a large majority of school districts said, "oh, screw you" and ignored him for weeks. This was important since it bought critical weeks until Omicron finally petered out. When Youngkin was sworn in, the positivity rate in Loudoun was like 35% for example. By the time the legislature acted, it was under 8%. So in fact, what that showed was Youngkin took office and tried to flex some authority and everyone showed him the finger. It was actually a major FAIL -- never seen a new governor so disrespected like that.
As for the gas tax, that's really dumb. Our roads aren't in great shape as it is. Maybe there is some infrastructure money coming from the feds that makes this gas tax holiday easier to do? If so, Youngkin should thank Joe Biden.
Youngkin issued an Executive Order on the 21st. Then the local school boards whined and sued. Ahead of the Virginia Assembly coming together in a bipartisan caucus and striking down the mask mandates statewide. The law passed and he signed it on February 18th. And the counties tuck tails and ran because what can they do now lol?
Any way you spin it that is a major political victory. I mean unless of course you think legislation passes in a vacuum with no executive input. Maybe that's why caucus one state over for the nation has been fractious.
No, it wasn't. It was huge embarrassment. There was no "whining and suing." The school boards defied him. Plain and simple. It was an astonishing rebuke of a new governor.
The four weeks that defiance bought was critical as cases came down in the meantime. It was highly likely masks were going to be relaxed anyway.
This was not in any way a victory. He was shown the proverbial finger for weeks. It took Democrats in the legislature to do his bidding. And for that, Chap Petersen must lose his job in the next cycle.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:25
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He’ll be elected president in 2024. Parents are tired of being silenced.
Such a stupid comment. This will never happen. The nominee will be Trump or DeSantis.
I think you'll be surprised. As a moderate, I'll happily cross parties and vote for Youngkin. But never Trump or DeSantis.
Moderate Democrats don’t decide who wins the Republican nomination.
You're right - they don't.
This is more about trump being done vs republicans not wanting to destroy the country. Oh and no moderate dem would even consider voting for youngkin. Maybe a a “moderate” trumper would but not a moderate democrat.
Okay. Check those VA exit polls again. Trust me, Youngkin didn't win just with Republicans.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/november/exit-polls
DP. Exit polls are now three months old and tell us nothing about what Youngkin has done since taking office. Current approval polls like OP posted are much more relevant to public sentiment today.
Well he has secured a major political victory in removing all mask mandates in the state for one and has the Democrats in the U.S. Senate copying him and trying to implement a FEDERAL gas tax holiday for another. All in under 30 days. I'd say he's pretty successful. But keep whining, its not working, but its entertaining.
He didn't "secure a major political victory" with the mask mandates thing. He issued an "executive order" and a large majority of school districts said, "oh, screw you" and ignored him for weeks. This was important since it bought critical weeks until Omicron finally petered out. When Youngkin was sworn in, the positivity rate in Loudoun was like 35% for example. By the time the legislature acted, it was under 8%. So in fact, what that showed was Youngkin took office and tried to flex some authority and everyone showed him the finger. It was actually a major FAIL -- never seen a new governor so disrespected like that.
As for the gas tax, that's really dumb. Our roads aren't in great shape as it is. Maybe there is some infrastructure money coming from the feds that makes this gas tax holiday easier to do? If so, Youngkin should thank Joe Biden.
Youngkin issued an Executive Order on the 21st. Then the local school boards whined and sued. Ahead of the Virginia Assembly coming together in a bipartisan caucus and striking down the mask mandates statewide. The law passed and he signed it on February 18th. And the counties tuck tails and ran because what can they do now lol?
Any way you spin it that is a major political victory. I mean unless of course you think legislation passes in a vacuum with no executive input. Maybe that's why caucus one state over for the nation has been fractious.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:19
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He’ll be elected president in 2024. Parents are tired of being silenced.
Such a stupid comment. This will never happen. The nominee will be Trump or DeSantis.
I think you'll be surprised. As a moderate, I'll happily cross parties and vote for Youngkin. But never Trump or DeSantis.
Moderate Democrats don’t decide who wins the Republican nomination.
You're right - they don't.
This is more about trump being done vs republicans not wanting to destroy the country. Oh and no moderate dem would even consider voting for youngkin. Maybe a a “moderate” trumper would but not a moderate democrat.
Okay. Check those VA exit polls again. Trust me, Youngkin didn't win just with Republicans.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/november/exit-polls
DP. Exit polls are now three months old and tell us nothing about what Youngkin has done since taking office. Current approval polls like OP posted are much more relevant to public sentiment today.
Well he has secured a major political victory in removing all mask mandates in the state for one and has the Democrats in the U.S. Senate copying him and trying to implement a FEDERAL gas tax holiday for another. All in under 30 days. I'd say he's pretty successful. But keep whining, its not working, but its entertaining.
He didn't "secure a major political victory" with the mask mandates thing. He issued an "executive order" and a large majority of school districts said, "oh, screw you" and ignored him for weeks. This was important since it bought critical weeks until Omicron finally petered out. When Youngkin was sworn in, the positivity rate in Loudoun was like 35% for example. By the time the legislature acted, it was under 8%. So in fact, what that showed was Youngkin took office and tried to flex some authority and everyone showed him the finger. It was actually a major FAIL -- never seen a new governor so disrespected like that.
As for the gas tax, that's really dumb. Our roads aren't in great shape as it is. Maybe there is some infrastructure money coming from the feds that makes this gas tax holiday easier to do? If so, Youngkin should thank Joe Biden.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:16
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing surprising to me in this poll. It suggests:
1) Most bonafide Rs support him
2) Most bonafide Ds oppose him
3) Others, including perhaps some who voted across party lines, are waiting a bit before casting judgment
But that’s not the norm for Virginia politics. Even four years ago when Northam took office there wasn’t such an extreme political divide. Unfortunately Youngkin’s first moves after taking office were hyper partisan and divisive, which set an ugly tone.
DP. His first moves after taking office were exactly what he ran on. IOW, this is why he won the election. He's true to his word - more than can be said about a lot of politicians.
No, they weren’t. During and after the campaign he said he favored leaving school mask requirements up to localities, and only planned to remove the state-wide mandate. When he took office, he did an about-face and pushed to strip away that local control.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 16:12
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
If he lets the trucker convoy snarl the NoVA beltway that will also hurt him significantly.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:55
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing surprising to me in this poll. It suggests:
1) Most bonafide Rs support him
2) Most bonafide Ds oppose him
3) Others, including perhaps some who voted across party lines, are waiting a bit before casting judgment
But that’s not the norm for Virginia politics. Even four years ago when Northam took office there wasn’t such an extreme political divide. Unfortunately Youngkin’s first moves after taking office were hyper partisan and divisive, which set an ugly tone.
DP. His first moves after taking office were exactly what he ran on. IOW, this is why he won the election. He's true to his word - more than can be said about a lot of politicians.
He actually ran on allowing localities to make their decisions. He didn't. He'll go further down in polls.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:54
Subject: Re:Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that Youngkin supporters are completely ignoring the polling data in favor of their fervent hopes.
The polling data that says 85% of Republicans approve of him and 81% of Democrats disapprove. How is this revolutionary? Its standard and really is immaterial considering he is legally banned from running for re-election. Like why should we care?
It’s actually not standard for Virginia politics. This kind of divide right out of the gate is very unusual for Virginia. Of course, so is a governor starting his first day in office with a set of intentionally divisive EOs.
But the article is more than that. It shows that a majority of Virginians disagree with Youngkin’s policy priorities, so he is likely to end up further underwater unless he changes course and decides to govern as more of the moderate he pretended to be during the campaign.
Underwater for WHAT? He's not running again.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:44
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing surprising to me in this poll. It suggests:
1) Most bonafide Rs support him
2) Most bonafide Ds oppose him
3) Others, including perhaps some who voted across party lines, are waiting a bit before casting judgment
But that’s not the norm for Virginia politics. Even four years ago when Northam took office there wasn’t such an extreme political divide. Unfortunately Youngkin’s first moves after taking office were hyper partisan and divisive, which set an ugly tone.
DP. His first moves after taking office were exactly what he ran on. IOW, this is why he won the election. He's true to his word - more than can be said about a lot of politicians.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:42
Subject: Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Nothing surprising to me in this poll. It suggests:
1) Most bonafide Rs support him
2) Most bonafide Ds oppose him
3) Others, including perhaps some who voted across party lines, are waiting a bit before casting judgment
Yep. Very unsurprising to me too.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:25
Subject: Re:Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that Youngkin supporters are completely ignoring the polling data in favor of their fervent hopes.
The polling data that says 85% of Republicans approve of him and 81% of Democrats disapprove. How is this revolutionary? Its standard and really is immaterial considering he is legally banned from running for re-election. Like why should we care?
It’s actually not standard for Virginia politics. This kind of divide right out of the gate is very unusual for Virginia. Of course, so is a governor starting his first day in office with a set of intentionally divisive EOs.
But the article is more than that. It shows that a majority of Virginians disagree with Youngkin’s policy priorities, so he is likely to end up further underwater unless he changes course and decides to govern as more of the moderate he pretended to be during the campaign.
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:22
Subject: Re:Youngkin Underwater in Polls
Anonymous wrote:It is so telling that Youngkin supporters are completely ignoring the polling data in favor of their fervent hopes.
The polling data that says 85% of Republicans approve of him and 81% of Democrats disapprove. How is this revolutionary? Its standard and really is immaterial considering he is legally banned from running for re-election. Like why should we care?
Anonymous
02/21/2022 15:17
Subject: Re:Youngkin Underwater in Polls
It is so telling that Youngkin supporters are completely ignoring the polling data in favor of their fervent hopes.