Anonymous
02/17/2022 08:19
Subject: Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe in 50 years, maybe not. EVs are not as "clean" as you think they are, and they can be very expensive to repair after an accident. There are not enough fast charging stations, and the range on most EVs is pathetic. Also, most of them are not big enough to carry a family of 5 comfortably. I'll drive my gas powered SUV a few more years before I buy an EV. In fact, I am waiting on delivery of a new one as I write this.Anonymous wrote:Gas cars are going the way of the horse and buggy. So long gasoline.
+1. I have a hybrid. I thought that I was doing a good thing for the environment until I read up on how bad current EV technology is. The cobalt & nickel mining is disastrous and in over exhausting an already short supply, and we have no way to currently break down these EV batteries - which are currently being shipped to E Europe to be buried in the ground. These things are incredibly hazardous and we've not yet developed reliable recycling methods for them. I'm not sure why we're not talking more about EV technology and how it's not as clean as we're led to believe. Yes, they emissions are nil but it's the production and what to do with car after use that's the issue. Hopefully, they'll work on the battery issue but until then I hope that we don't move entirely EV. It's too much, too fast. We're not ready yet.
Meant to add *lithium mining
... She says, typing from her cell phone
What a stupid response. So if someone wants to criticize factory farming practices your response is, "She says, EATING HER FOOD"
Well, with her food she has options. Also, I'm curious as to where you think oil comes from.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:43
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
Do you still have that Honda Civic? Or did you buy a new one?
Or did you buy a 3 row SUV because you have *a*kid and might need to carpool to soccer sometimes in the next 5 years?
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:24
Subject: Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe in 50 years, maybe not. EVs are not as "clean" as you think they are, and they can be very expensive to repair after an accident. There are not enough fast charging stations, and the range on most EVs is pathetic. Also, most of them are not big enough to carry a family of 5 comfortably. I'll drive my gas powered SUV a few more years before I buy an EV. In fact, I am waiting on delivery of a new one as I write this.Anonymous wrote:Gas cars are going the way of the horse and buggy. So long gasoline.
+1. I have a hybrid. I thought that I was doing a good thing for the environment until I read up on how bad current EV technology is. The cobalt & nickel mining is disastrous and in over exhausting an already short supply, and we have no way to currently break down these EV batteries - which are currently being shipped to E Europe to be buried in the ground. These things are incredibly hazardous and we've not yet developed reliable recycling methods for them. I'm not sure why we're not talking more about EV technology and how it's not as clean as we're led to believe. Yes, they emissions are nil but it's the production and what to do with car after use that's the issue. Hopefully, they'll work on the battery issue but until then I hope that we don't move entirely EV. It's too much, too fast. We're not ready yet.
Meant to add *lithium mining
... She says, typing from her cell phone
What a stupid response. So if someone wants to criticize factory farming practices your response is, "She says, EATING HER FOOD"
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:24
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
The point is that EVs are by and large more expensive than your average gas vehicle, and the price point is too high for most. Plus, the battery of an EV is very expensive to replace and dies after like 7-10 years, so used EVs aren't necessarily the greatest option. People who have fewer spare dollars aren't going to spend it to feel good about their environmental commitment. EVs are still a luxury good.
Plus, as you've noted, they don't quite fit in the market widely yet because of the low range per charge (particularly for the cheaper ones) and a lack of charging infrastructure.
The average new car costs $40,000; there are plenty of EVs for that price or less, and most of them also get a $7,500 federal tax credit. So if you can afford a new car, you can afford an electric one. Yes, some of them are very expensive, but that’s the case with gas cars, too. Simply being electric doesn’t make a car a luxury good anymore.
Still have the problems of range and charging infrastructure.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:13
Subject: Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe in 50 years, maybe not. EVs are not as "clean" as you think they are, and they can be very expensive to repair after an accident. There are not enough fast charging stations, and the range on most EVs is pathetic. Also, most of them are not big enough to carry a family of 5 comfortably. I'll drive my gas powered SUV a few more years before I buy an EV. In fact, I am waiting on delivery of a new one as I write this.Anonymous wrote:Gas cars are going the way of the horse and buggy. So long gasoline.
+1. I have a hybrid. I thought that I was doing a good thing for the environment until I read up on how bad current EV technology is. The cobalt & nickel mining is disastrous and in over exhausting an already short supply, and we have no way to currently break down these EV batteries - which are currently being shipped to E Europe to be buried in the ground. These things are incredibly hazardous and we've not yet developed reliable recycling methods for them. I'm not sure why we're not talking more about EV technology and how it's not as clean as we're led to believe. Yes, they emissions are nil but it's the production and what to do with car after use that's the issue. Hopefully, they'll work on the battery issue but until then I hope that we don't move entirely EV. It's too much, too fast. We're not ready yet.
Meant to add *lithium mining
... She says, typing from her cell phone
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:11
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Used EVs are a fantastic option for someone who needs a cheap car. I would avoid any Leaf before 2015, only buy a 2015-2017 if you have the software fix done and understand the range you're getting, and buy a 2018 and onward without reservation.
I'd buy a used Chevy spark ev or a Chevy bolt that's had it's recall fix without hesitation.
Used Tesla S's are hovering around the 30k mark and by all accounts require minimal work to keep them on the road for another decade.
I'd buy a used Chevy spark ev or a Chevy bolt that's had it's recall fix without hesitation.
Used Tesla S's are hovering around the 30k mark and by all accounts require minimal work to keep them on the road for another decade.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:06
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
The point is that EVs are by and large more expensive than your average gas vehicle, and the price point is too high for most. Plus, the battery of an EV is very expensive to replace and dies after like 7-10 years, so used EVs aren't necessarily the greatest option. People who have fewer spare dollars aren't going to spend it to feel good about their environmental commitment. EVs are still a luxury good.
Plus, as you've noted, they don't quite fit in the market widely yet because of the low range per charge (particularly for the cheaper ones) and a lack of charging infrastructure.
The batteries don't *die.* Ever. They lose capacity. This is typically a slow process, made even slower by temperature -regulating that keeps batteries from getting too hot or too cold.
The Nissan Leaf is the only electric car currently in the market that doesn't have thermal regulation for its batteries. It also uses a different battery chemistry and a different design than the others. While early models of the Leaf did have horrible issues with battery loss, the new version hasn't suffered the same date. Capacity loss is so far minimal. I'm driving a five-year-old Leaf and its range is the same as new.
Ten-year-old electric cars are still on the road, running with a lot less maintenance required than their gas counterparts. They have a lot fewer moving parts.
Battery warranties on electric cars are typically 8-10 years. This may be why you are confused.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 21:50
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
The point is that EVs are by and large more expensive than your average gas vehicle, and the price point is too high for most. Plus, the battery of an EV is very expensive to replace and dies after like 7-10 years, so used EVs aren't necessarily the greatest option. People who have fewer spare dollars aren't going to spend it to feel good about their environmental commitment. EVs are still a luxury good.
Plus, as you've noted, they don't quite fit in the market widely yet because of the low range per charge (particularly for the cheaper ones) and a lack of charging infrastructure.
The average new car costs $40,000; there are plenty of EVs for that price or less, and most of them also get a $7,500 federal tax credit. So if you can afford a new car, you can afford an electric one. Yes, some of them are very expensive, but that’s the case with gas cars, too. Simply being electric doesn’t make a car a luxury good anymore.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 15:21
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
So you don’t care about GHG emissions and climate change?
Anonymous
02/16/2022 15:19
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
The break even point for most cars is longer than the car's life expectancy
Anonymous
02/16/2022 15:18
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
The point is that EVs are by and large more expensive than your average gas vehicle, and the price point is too high for most. Plus, the battery of an EV is very expensive to replace and dies after like 7-10 years, so used EVs aren't necessarily the greatest option. People who have fewer spare dollars aren't going to spend it to feel good about their environmental commitment. EVs are still a luxury good.
Plus, as you've noted, they don't quite fit in the market widely yet because of the low range per charge (particularly for the cheaper ones) and a lack of charging infrastructure.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 15:12
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
But they save on gas just the same. I'd buy an EV in a heartbeat if my building had charging stations and if I could make it far enough to visit family on a charge. Back in 2007/2008 I bought a Honda Civic because it got 45 mpg on the highway and saved me a ton of money.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 14:48
Subject: Re:Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Recent study suggests that EV owners don't buy EVs to save on gas, but rather because they have expendable income to spend on their belief in saving the environment.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 14:47
Subject: Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Maybe in 50 years, maybe not. EVs are not as "clean" as you think they are, and they can be very expensive to repair after an accident. There are not enough fast charging stations, and the range on most EVs is pathetic. Also, most of them are not big enough to carry a family of 5 comfortably. I'll drive my gas powered SUV a few more years before I buy an EV. In fact, I am waiting on delivery of a new one as I write this.Anonymous wrote:Gas cars are going the way of the horse and buggy. So long gasoline.
Yes in 50 years, It's not about being clean, it's about not using gas, it's going away, our kids won't have any. Get onboard grandma.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 14:42
Subject: Please take the Electric Vehicle pledge for Montgomery County
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe in 50 years, maybe not. EVs are not as "clean" as you think they are, and they can be very expensive to repair after an accident. There are not enough fast charging stations, and the range on most EVs is pathetic. Also, most of them are not big enough to carry a family of 5 comfortably. I'll drive my gas powered SUV a few more years before I buy an EV. In fact, I am waiting on delivery of a new one as I write this.Anonymous wrote:Gas cars are going the way of the horse and buggy. So long gasoline.
+1. I have a hybrid. I thought that I was doing a good thing for the environment until I read up on how bad current EV technology is. The cobalt & nickel mining is disastrous and in over exhausting an already short supply, and we have no way to currently break down these EV batteries - which are currently being shipped to E Europe to be buried in the ground. These things are incredibly hazardous and we've not yet developed reliable recycling methods for them. I'm not sure why we're not talking more about EV technology and how it's not as clean as we're led to believe. Yes, they emissions are nil but it's the production and what to do with car after use that's the issue. Hopefully, they'll work on the battery issue but until then I hope that we don't move entirely EV. It's too much, too fast. We're not ready yet.
Meant to add *lithium mining