Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:58     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Zhu would not have made team USA. This happens all the time and is a non issue. We have plenty of athletes that won gold for the USA but grew up and trained somewhere else.

Gu is different. She is a superstar, best in the world at what she does. When she made the china decision she was already the best and firmly #1 on team USA with a guaranteed spot which makes the China choice a mystery (I’ve heard her explanation but something seems off). Now she was also 15 years old and did what her mom told her, you absolutely can’t blame her as the mom is a known tiger mom and I’m sure it was the moms choice.


It's no mystery at all. A female snowboarder who wins multiple golds for the US will get some endorsements, but nothing spectacular. A female snowboarder who was raised in the US, but decided to compete for China, who had Chinese heritage, and wins multiple golds? The best china has ever done in the winter olympics is 7th in medal count, and they're usually around 12-15. The most golds they've ever won is 5, and she may will 3 all by herself. She is absolutely going to clean up in endorsements, modeling contracts, etc.

She has the chance to set herself up with generational wealth by doing this.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:49     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Of all the issues we face at the moment, this is pretty close to the very last one I’m going to expend any precious mental bandwidth on.

OP must have an otherwise very stress free life if she has the energy to devote to something this unimportant.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:37     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Of all the issues we face at the moment, this is pretty close to the very last one I’m going to expend any precious mental bandwidth on.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:35     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Zhu would not have made team USA. This happens all the time and is a non issue. We have plenty of athletes that won gold for the USA but grew up and trained somewhere else.

Gu is different. She is a superstar, best in the world at what she does. When she made the china decision she was already the best and firmly #1 on team USA with a guaranteed spot which makes the China choice a mystery (I’ve heard her explanation but something seems off). Now she was also 15 years old and did what her mom told her, you absolutely can’t blame her as the mom is a known tiger mom and I’m sure it was the moms choice.


Yes, correct on Zhu.

Puzzled re: Gu. One possibility is $$. Training on the elite level in the US is extremely expensive. It's possible that she was offered better training conditions, better coaches, and all free.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:29     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Zhu would not have made team USA. This happens all the time and is a non issue. We have plenty of athletes that won gold for the USA but grew up and trained somewhere else.

Gu is different. She is a superstar, best in the world at what she does. When she made the china decision she was already the best and firmly #1 on team USA with a guaranteed spot which makes the China choice a mystery (I’ve heard her explanation but something seems off). Now she was also 15 years old and did what her mom told her, you absolutely can’t blame her as the mom is a known tiger mom and I’m sure it was the moms choice.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:25     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:ice dancing is notorious for country shopping

the japanese couple (who are married) - the husband is from Montana and he has skated under at least 3 flags.


Yuko Kawaguchi gave up her Japanese citizenship and became a Russian citizen to compete in pairs skating under the Russian flag. A two-time bronze World medalist and a two-time European champion.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:21     Subject: Re:Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:I think country shopping for the Olympics is gross but mostly I feel sorry for the two girls in question. I don't think they know what they've gotten themselves into.

Also, to get rid of any pro-Xi trolls: June 4, 1989 Tiananmen Square.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre



LOL so you think Christine Fraser, a four-time Azerbaijan National champion from Palo Alto and a two-time Olympian, was a Very Naughty Girl?
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:19     Subject: Re:Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:I think country shopping for the Olympics is gross but mostly I feel sorry for the two girls in question. I don't think they know what they've gotten themselves into.

Also, to get rid of any pro-Xi trolls: June 4, 1989 Tiananmen Square.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre


Zhu got to go to the Olympics, which is much more than she could have hoped for, had she represented the U.S. She probably pays significantly less for her skating, too.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:06     Subject: Re:Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:I think country shopping for the Olympics is gross but mostly I feel sorry for the two girls in question. I don't think they know what they've gotten themselves into.

Also, to get rid of any pro-Xi trolls: June 4, 1989 Tiananmen Square.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre


Who doesn't love Winnie the Pooh?
https://winniethepooh.disney.com/winnie-the-pooh
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 16:00     Subject: Re:Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
I think country shopping for the Olympics is gross but mostly I feel sorry for the two girls in question. I don't think they know what they've gotten themselves into.

Also, to get rid of any pro-Xi trolls: June 4, 1989 Tiananmen Square.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 15:41     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
ice dancing is notorious for country shopping

the japanese couple (who are married) - the husband is from Montana and he has skated under at least 3 flags.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 15:38     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
There was an Israeli skater in one of the last couple Olympics that was from Jersey

Lots of coaches in the US and Canada coaching international skaters. The American and Canadian rivals in ice dancing in 2014 both trained in Michigan. Brian Orser trains/trained a TON of different skaters in Canada, including Kim Yuna.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 14:31     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:It is sooooooo hypocritical that we have athletes living in this country who get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in the US, but then go compete under the banner of another country. Eileen Gu loves all of the freedom in the US, was born a US citizen, yet has no qualms about enriching herself as an athlete for 'China' while the country she competes for has systemic oppression of multiple ethnic minorities ongoing at the moment. Zhu Yi is also a hypocrite, because she enjoys living in California while skating for China. Why is it that all of these traitors to the US Olympic seem to be coming from blue states like California too? If they are living in blue democrat states, shouldn't they be tuned into socially progressive agendas that run those states? How could you possibly live in California while simultaneously make money representing a country that commits some of the worst human rights violations in the modern world? Such hypocrisy. Athletes like Gu should lose all benefits of living in the US, starting with her presidential scholars program benefits, which is intended for US citizens.


Why has US never bombed the shyt out of CCP dictators? Are they really above us militarily and technologically? I know they are with people cause there’s too many of them. Thankfully they had that commie policy of one child only but now that they saw how bad it was going to be they lifted it…
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 14:27     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
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It's rather interesting that Zhu renounced her US citizenship in 2018 to become a Chinese citizenship. Her father who is an award winning scientist in artificial intelligence was working at UCLA, but now he is at Peking University. She is obviously not a great skater so it begs the question . . . did they want her or her father?


He should be forced to pay back every single grant dollar her took.


Why? The government got the resulting benefits of any research they funded.



You've clearly never done research in academia. The USG can fund researchers to do all of the hard foundational level work, and then just as projects start to become mature enough to start paying off, the Chinese govt will lure them away where they will take nearly all of the rewards. Your assumption is often wrong.


I am in research field and manages a lot of R&D funding. This is happening more than people realize and there is a significant amount of IP theft(read several hundreds of B$s) that happens every year from China. This needs to stop.


This- it’s a huge issue for industry.


What is IP theft?


Intellectual Property probably. Its been going on for years. And will probably be getting worse in the future.

-DP
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2022 13:56     Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
This thread is funny to me.

You ignoramuses have NO idea how many athletes AND coaches the U.S. and other Western nation poach from other countries.

U.S. gymnastics was built ground by up the Karolyis, whom the U.S. poached from their home country.

On the rare occasion the shoe is on the other foot, Americans go insane. What hypocrisy.