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Anonymous wrote:She said it was white people vs. white people + thus not about race but man's overall inhumanity to man. Try not to make a mountain out of every molehill OP.

Which I agree 100% as a non-White, non-Black, non-Jewish, non-Christian person. But man, White people as a race have shat on this entire planet and made it miserable.

Most brutal culture and regimes have been in China. Do y’all know nothing about eastern civilizations? China had 1B peopl centuries ago. Know how they governed that????

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Anonymous wrote:Whoopi says it’s “man's inhumanity to man'”.
Is she right?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10461435/Whoopi-Goldberg-makes-shocking-claim-Holocaust-not-race-heated-discussion-ABC.html

One could say slavery was “man’s inhumanity to man”. If the slaves sold from Africa would have been white, wouldn’t others have bought them for cheap labor? Probably.

Ask china, the Mideast, and Africa itself about its slave counts over the millennia.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s was an ethnic cleansing

Race is defined as “a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits.” The term ethnicities is more broadly defined as “large groups of people classed according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background.

Was it? An additional 6 million non-Jewish people were also,killed during the Holocaust.

Shhhh

Anonymous wrote:I don't listen to people without eyebrows.

What about people who call themselves the chosen ones?

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand her point at all

Jews want to be known as an individual race, per the 1800s Talmud.

Meanwhile the world thinks of race as skin color.

Same word, different definitions. Fun stuff.

Anonymous wrote:I feel if my dna can identify me as Jewish it’s not just a religion.

Then how are people able to convert?

Anonymous wrote:I think her race comment was through a 2022 American view of race, not a 1930s German view of race.

I think you’re right. I don’t think she was trying to downplay the Holocaust, but that’s how it came across. She made an ass out of herself and should apologize.

Anonymous wrote:I think Hitler saw Jews as an inferior race.

You’re right - Hilter called it the Jewish race. Whoopi is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people don't believe Judaism is a race.

It’s a religion and an ethnicity, not a race.

Is ethnicity what shows on a dna test for everyone?

The word race on the form refers to the group or groups that you may identify with as having similar physical traits that are regarded as common among people of a shared ancestry … The request for your ethnicity is to learn what group of people you identify with according to common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background. In other words, it is meant to get an idea about your nationality, heritage, culture, ancestry, and upbringing. The concept of ethnicity contrasts with that of race in that it is concerned with group cultural identity or expression whereas race focuses on physical and biogenetic traits.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/difference-between-race-and-ethnicity

Maybe it is - I’m just not clear on it.

I feel if my dna can identify me as Jewish it’s not just a religion.

Anonymous wrote:Some people don't believe Judaism is a race.

It’s a religion and an ethnicity, not a race.

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Anonymous wrote:I was taught in history class in school that Nazis believed in a master aryan race, and that it was a sort of made up race judged by hair color and eye color. Thus, they certainly constituted "white supremacists."

And they killed 6m Jewish people in concentration camps, by far the majority of victims.

My guess is Whoopi was viewing the history through a lens of what SHE considers to be "white" people today. But she should have considered the history better and not made the comment. It was very inappropriate to me as it seemed to downplay the horror of the holocaust.

Nope.

Was there another group constituting 6m people who were murdered? Nope.

You may be thinking in the aggregate - the total of all other people.

Dp here. The statement wasn’t that there was another group of people that large, it was that the 6 million Jews killed were by far the majority of those killed. Generally speaking, there an understanding that approximately 12 million people died in the Holocaust, so while Jews were the largest targeted group, they were not necessarily the “vast majority” of its victims.

+1

This conversation is stupid but majority is 50+1. I’m not sure there is dispute that the largest group of people killed and the majority of the victims of the Holocaust were Jews.

Her statement is majorly offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I was taught in history class in school that Nazis believed in a master aryan race, and that it was a sort of made up race judged by hair color and eye color. Thus, they certainly constituted "white supremacists."

And they killed 6m Jewish people in concentration camps, by far the majority of victims.

My guess is Whoopi was viewing the history through a lens of what SHE considers to be "white" people today. But she should have considered the history better and not made the comment. It was very inappropriate to me as it seemed to downplay the horror of the holocaust.

Nope.

Was there another group constituting 6m people who were murdered? Nope.

You may be thinking in the aggregate - the total of all other people.

Dp here. The statement wasn’t that there was another group of people that large, it was that the 6 million Jews killed were by far the majority of those killed. Generally speaking, there an understanding that approximately 12 million people died in the Holocaust, so while Jews were the largest targeted group, they were not necessarily the “vast majority” of its victims.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I was taught in history class in school that Nazis believed in a master aryan race, and that it was a sort of made up race judged by hair color and eye color. Thus, they certainly constituted "white supremacists."

And they killed 6m Jewish people in concentration camps, by far the majority of victims.

My guess is Whoopi was viewing the history through a lens of what SHE considers to be "white" people today. But she should have considered the history better and not made the comment. It was very inappropriate to me as it seemed to downplay the horror of the holocaust.

Nope.

Was there another group constituting 6m people who were murdered? Nope.

You may be thinking in the aggregate - the total of all other people.

Dp here. The statement wasn’t that there was another group of people that large, it was that the 6 million Jews killed were by far the majority of those killed. Generally speaking, there an understanding that approximately 12 million people died in the Holocaust, so while Jews were the largest targeted group, they were not necessarily the “vast majority” of its victims.