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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Survive?
"Survive" does not neeed to equal a 7,000 sqf house for a family of 4
it does not need to equal each parent driving a new luxury car (and of course, each kid getting a new luxury car when they turn 16)
It does not equal putting money aside for college and grad school/law school/med school for each kid.
it does not equal frequent international vacations

"Survive" would mean a roof of your heads (yes, even kids sharing a room "survive") and food in their bellies.
In the US, even someone with ZERO income will "survive" due to government assistance and private assistance like food banks.

You might not LIKE your lifestyle, but your children will definitely SURVIVE even if you or spouse becomes a stay at home parent.

Not talking about UMC -- talking about MC/LMC. Like MOST people. Not DCUM's contingent. The OP was talking about women in general, not the UMC. Most people do not live the lifestyle you are talking about on two salaries (even in the **AFTER** scenario you describe of living on one salary).

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/03/your-money/middle-class-income.html

And your cute anecdote of people "surviving" on no salary is adorable - very few people with the ability to have two incomes would choose to live that way on one income just to "stay home with the kids." LMAO

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Agree

Disagree. But you’ll need to live in a less desirable area.

You do know that salaries are lower in less desirable areas? It is a myth you can just move to a lower COL area and live on one salary for MOST people.

Well you could live in PG county or along route 1 in Fairfax. Or just choose a smaller house. Same salary but lower housing costs.

PP - I'm not talking about the DMV specifically, but rather the US generally. One anecdotal suggestion doesn't logically apply to the breadth of the middle class.

And, what happens when you already live in PG County or on Route 1 in Fairfax??

Sure there is some income level where one income will not cut it. 40k is not going to work. But one person at a gs-13 could do it. That’s average around here.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Survive?
"Survive" does not neeed to equal a 7,000 sqf house for a family of 4
it does not need to equal each parent driving a new luxury car (and of course, each kid getting a new luxury car when they turn 16)
It does not equal putting money aside for college and grad school/law school/med school for each kid.
it does not equal frequent international vacations

"Survive" would mean a roof of your heads (yes, even kids sharing a room "survive") and food in their bellies.
In the US, even someone with ZERO income will "survive" due to government assistance and private assistance like food banks.

You might not LIKE your lifestyle, but your children will definitely SURVIVE even if you or spouse becomes a stay at home parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

I agree with this. It can be a slog, but isn’t every job? At least with motherhood, you are nourishing another soul and shaping future generations. It’s a pretty powerful thing. I can say without hesitation that I’ve never done anything as important. And my kids are hilarious to be around. Not sure many 20/30 year olds hear this side of things? Mostly it’s ugh, kids suck & career is amazing.

Mothering is such drudgery TBH; no wonder all the well-off people outsourced childcare since ancient times. I love mine to death but I would have lost my mind to be a SAHM without FT help. I had a nanny during my maternity leaves. My job is much more intellectually stimulating than raising kids.

Good for us! Society will adapt and find ways not to be a pyramid scheme for elder care. The planet will thank us for less people.

I really don’t know anyone who had a child before 30. And I got married young. I had my first at 30 and was one of the youngest.

Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

WELL SAID.

I fear this will be the right wings solution to a lack of kids….just make it harder for women to work. Maybe some BS tax break for the single income household.

I would love to stay home but I also like having enough money to not live hand to mouth. I support a universal child allowance so the choice to have a single income family is more viable.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Agree

Disagree. But you’ll need to live in a less desirable area.

You do know that salaries are lower in less desirable areas? It is a myth you can just move to a lower COL area and live on one salary for MOST people.

Well you could live in PG county or along route 1 in Fairfax. Or just choose a smaller house. Same salary but lower housing costs.

PP - I'm not talking about the DMV specifically, but rather the US generally. One anecdotal suggestion doesn't logically apply to the breadth of the middle class.

And, what happens when you already live in PG County or on Route 1 in Fairfax??

Excellent news!! That is amazing that many women have the ability to choose and time their pregnancies.

Great job, humans.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Agree

Disagree. But you’ll need to live in a less desirable area.

You do know that salaries are lower in less desirable areas? It is a myth you can just move to a lower COL area and live on one salary for MOST people.

Well you could live in PG county or along route 1 in Fairfax. Or just choose a smaller house. Same salary but lower housing costs.

Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

A lab scientist working on Covid or any number of diseases. Also climate change. Glad you think women are just walking incubators and child care workers.

Is this supposed to be a problem? People are just settling down later or realizing that kids aren’t needed for them to have a fulfilling life.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Agree

Disagree. But you’ll need to live in a less desirable area.

You do know that salaries are lower in less desirable areas? It is a myth you can just move to a lower COL area and live on one salary for MOST people.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?

Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.

This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.

This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.

Agree

Disagree. But you’ll need to live in a less desirable area.