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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

UNC is a strange one, because it's basically second-tier quality, with first tier selectivity if you're OOS. It's not actually that great academically, because most of the kids who are accepted went to crappy NC public schools. I know, because I went there for grad school, and I encountered a ton of undergrads from some tiny rural town in NC who weren't really prepared for college-level work. Not worth the price for OOS, if you can even get in. Anyone who gets in OOS will have much better options to choose from.

UNC is second-tier relative to Berkeley, but so are most of the very "top" private schools as well; clearly not in UMich's range, but easily the peer of UVA or any other large public overall. I think mid-20s is about right. And of course the large numbers of weaker NC students (there are some very strong ones from RD area) is an issue, but remember a full 1/5 of the student body are OOS kids with 1500+ SATs and comparable GPAs. That's about 4000 kids, in total. The net effect is a two-tiered student body, with a high-achieving, bright core and a bottom 60 percent that is any-old-state-U.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

UNC is a strange one, because it's basically second-tier quality, with first tier selectivity if you're OOS. It's not actually that great academically, because most of the kids who are accepted went to crappy NC public schools. I know, because I went there for grad school, and I encountered a ton of undergrads from some tiny rural town in NC who weren't really prepared for college-level work. Not worth the price for OOS, if you can even get in. Anyone who gets in OOS will have much better options to choose from.

I went to grad school at an Ivy and was similarly unimpressed by the undergrads. I think you are confusing UNC with UVA -- or UMICH.

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Anonymous wrote:CMU is technically top 20

CMU CS is actually top 10
CMU Business is actually top 20
CMU Engineering maybe?

Other majors not so much

You are forgetting about Architecture, Drama, Voice, etc -- all top 10

Anonymous wrote:“How would Emory, UCLA Georgetown, WashU, CMU and UVA start the next 25 if they are currently inside the top25. Did you read the OP? WashU is ranked 14.”

Maybe because they are all overrated?

Which schools should replace these schools in the rankings?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

Using admission rates as a shorthand for school quality is a sure sign that someone doesn’t know what they are talking about.

No one said they weren't quality, they just aren't the same level as the other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Yes with acceptance rates in the 20's, and rankings in the high 20's. They aren't first tier. When has BC ever been considered a top school? Honestly when asking people top school stops at about Emory/CMu/UCLA. UVA doesn't raise eyebrows if you tell people DC went there.

Using admission rates as a shorthand for school quality is a sure sign that someone doesn’t know what they are talking about.

Are we talking footballs rankings, or basketball? And if basketball, mens or womens?

Anonymous wrote:Do people actually just blindly apply to the top 20 schools? I can't imagine feeling like any one of them would so. They are so different.

There are plenty of people here obsessed with ranking. Do you really think the "What do you think of this ranking? (T20)" poster would be ok with their kid picking a lesser ranked school based on fit?

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Anonymous wrote:Starts with

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
# UNC Chapel Hill

through #50-55

Schools like Boston University, Tulane, and Noreasetern requrie high stats and acceptance rate is very low althogh ranked relatively low.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Start with UVA

UVA is top 25.

Top 25 is not a typical ranking. It is top 10 and top 20.

You are new to this, no? https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-re-enters-nations-top-25-fresh-us-news-rankings

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care about specific ranking but curious what people consider in the second grouping.

This is our (totally unscientific) dinner table list so far:

Out of Reach, so assume top tier:
Notre Dame, UC, UCLA, UVA, UNC Chapel Hill, CMU, probably Boston College, Georgetown, Emory


Second tier:
Tulane
Villanova
U Miami
Wake Forest
Tufts?
NYU
UGA

There's nothing out or Reach about UNC, UVA, And Boston College. These are second their schools.

Sure, we'll take your opinion, Anonymous Poster who struggles with capitalization and spelling, over the actual facts that make all of these schools out of reach for 80-90% of the students who seek admission to them

Sadly true. No way my kid could even apply (public high school) much less dream about getting into UVA. Went to another VA public.

Do people actually just blindly apply to the top 20 schools? I can't imagine feeling like any one of them would so. They are so different.

The next grouping, according to DCUM, is called "safety schools"

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Anonymous wrote:Starts with

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
#28 UNC Chapel Hill

through #50-55

Schools like Boston University, Tulane, and Noreasetern requrie high stats and acceptance rate is very low althogh ranked relatively low.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Schools in the 40s are ranked low? Jesus, you are all warped on here.

What I meant was that despite the high stats and selectivity, their ranke is relatively low.
They should be at least top 40, in fact higher than those #28s

#28 U Florida
#28 Wake Forrest
#28 University of California--Santa Barbara
#28UNC Chapel Hill

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Anonymous wrote:“How would Emory, UCLA Georgetown, WashU, CMU and UVA start the next 25 if they are currently inside the top25. Did you read the OP? WashU is ranked 14.”

Maybe because they are all overrated?

Bull$hit! Which school currently ranked below 25 are better than these 6 schools.

I agree. CMU is top 25.

Anonymous wrote:“How would Emory, UCLA Georgetown, WashU, CMU and UVA start the next 25 if they are currently inside the top25. Did you read the OP? WashU is ranked 14.”

Maybe because they are all overrated?

Bull$hit! Which school currently ranked below 25 are better than these 6 schools.