Anonymous
Post 01/21/2022 13:30     Subject: Re:Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:Most flagships emerged out of the land grant tradition, although a few are older. Land grant involved a fair amount of farming agricultural research because it was expected there would be relationships between the research at the university and the agricultural economy that was dominant in the US. Placing the new land grant universities in farming regions rather cities made sense. At the time, in the mid to late 19th century, the idea of placing new colleges in smaller towns and more rural areas also had a certain moral attraction to it. Colleges were seen as moral forces for the proper moral development of their students, and keeping them away from the depravities of the big bad cities had a certain attraction to it.

New flagship state universities were also often consciously placed in a central location in the state for practical purposes. Penn State is roughly in the center of Pennsylvania. Ditto for Ohio State. Bloomington is close enough to the center of Indiana. Political pressure in state assemblies also wanted to make sure the big city of the state didn't get all the advantages either.


While this is pretty accurate, I would note that IU predates the Morrill Act of 1862 by over 40 years so is not in the land grant tradition. Interestingly, it was established by the legislature the same year (1820) that the site for Indianapolis was chosen as the new state capital, yet the two were not put together. (I don't know why.)
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2022 12:06     Subject: Re:Flagships are rarely in major cities
Most flagships emerged out of the land grant tradition, although a few are older. Land grant involved a fair amount of farming agricultural research because it was expected there would be relationships between the research at the university and the agricultural economy that was dominant in the US. Placing the new land grant universities in farming regions rather cities made sense. At the time, in the mid to late 19th century, the idea of placing new colleges in smaller towns and more rural areas also had a certain moral attraction to it. Colleges were seen as moral forces for the proper moral development of their students, and keeping them away from the depravities of the big bad cities had a certain attraction to it.

New flagship state universities were also often consciously placed in a central location in the state for practical purposes. Penn State is roughly in the center of Pennsylvania. Ditto for Ohio State. Bloomington is close enough to the center of Indiana. Political pressure in state assemblies also wanted to make sure the big city of the state didn't get all the advantages either.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2022 11:20     Subject: Re:Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Madison is not a major city. Nor is Columbus. Lansing? LOL! The only major city in Florida IMO is Miami. Georgia Tech is not the University of Georgia. That school is in Athens. I think the people from University of Michigan would go crazy if I suggested they're really in Detroit since they're so in love with their small college town of Ann Arbor.

I would add Seattle UW and ASU in Phoenix to the list of flagships in major cities. And I guess people don't want for Hunter to count, so now I'll take NYC off the list.

And nobody has pointed this out, but some states don't have a major city, so I guess there is that.


Columbus is larger than Cleveland or Cincinnati. If the largest city in a state doesn’t qualify as a major city, then the lack of major cities may be the answer to your question


So?

UVM is in Burlington, Vermont's largest "city." Should it count?
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 13:07     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When you ask Mr. Google…

In general, when people talk about flagship universities, they are referring to the most prominent public university of their state. It is usually the first public university that was established in the state and receives the most state support.



Ok, so for Georgia, is it University of Georgia (Athens) or Georgia Tech (Atlanta?)


Both, really. There is often no official designation of flagship status. I'm pretty sure Virginia doesn't have an official designation through legislation or the constitution.

Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 09:31     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is a handy link the the state flagships: https://oglethorpe.edu/flagship50/flagship-institutions-and-tuition-by-state/



I know when I think about authoritative definitions, Oglethorpe.edu is the first place that springs to mind


Why do you think there would be an authoritative definition somewhere? This will do just fine for the purposes of an anonymous chat among strangers.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2022 04:05     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
This is a really stupid topic. Who cares if South Carolina is the flagship and Clemson is not? Same with Florida, Georgia, etc. point is that there are plenty of large publics in big cities and plenty that are not. What difference does it make to define the flagships?
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2022 22:10     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
University of Minnesota is in Minneapolis
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2022 22:07     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
... you ....don't sound too bright
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2022 21:07     Subject: Re:Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:Michigan, IU, and Iowa are in mid-sized college towns (Ann Arbor is close to Detroit so deserves an asterisk). And then you have poor UIUC and Penn State, both of which are in the middle of nowhere. Really, I'd say UIUC/PSU and Iowa are the only truly rural or rural-adjacent campuses.


Champaign-Urbana (combined population of about 125,000) is larger than Iowa City or Bloomington.


Anonymous
Post 01/17/2022 21:57     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
OP, consider that property tends to be more expensive in cities.

If you want a large university in a city, look at private universities. Use their Net Price Calculators to estimate financial aid.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2022 21:39     Subject: Re:Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:Colorado's flagship is in Boulder. This is truly one of the dumbest posts I've read all week.


Agreed. OP is truly dense. She's also had half the thread deleted because posters have been calling her out about it.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2022 21:19     Subject: Re:Flagships are rarely in major cities
Colorado's flagship is in Boulder. This is truly one of the dumbest posts I've read all week.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2022 21:17     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:Here is a handy link the the state flagships: https://oglethorpe.edu/flagship50/flagship-institutions-and-tuition-by-state/



I know when I think about authoritative definitions, Oglethorpe.edu is the first place that springs to mind
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2022 21:15     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pitt
South Carolina
Texas


Pitt is not the flagship. What about Penn State??


Lower ranked and less prestigious than pitt

Not the definition of flagship.


Do you have a source?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2022 20:48     Subject: Flagships are rarely in major cities
Anonymous wrote:^ pp above. Sorry I forgot Rutgers and Penn State.

Rutgers New Brunswick?